[bestbits] Spain/Catalunya Developments. Scary

Wed Sep 20 14:49:21 EDT 2017

Which you cannot just simply fully attribute only to the Spanish judiciary
just because the Spanish Constitution declares a division of powers, as the
political context and history of Spain indicate otherwise. Which was my
point.

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On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Ayden Férdeline <ayden at ferdeline.com>
wrote:

> I'm not looking to get into the matter of the broader intervention, Gus;
> if we are focusing on the .cat situation, which is where I thought the
> conversation had gone, then that *was* a judicial decision.
>
> —Ayden
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> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 7:43 pm, Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org>
> wrote:
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> Article 155 of the Spanish Constitution establishes a mechanism for the
> intervention of a region (Comunidad Autonoma) that requires approval by the
> Senate after the President of the Spanish Government asks the President of
> the Comunidad Autonoma for redress (http://www.congreso.es/
> consti/constitucion/indice/titulos/articulos.jsp?ini=155&tipo=2). Point
> here being: there is a Constitutional mechanism to do what the Spanish
> executive is doing through the action of the judiciary that involves and
> includes the opinion of the Parliament. In my opinion, this is a case that
> should include the voice of the Parliament.
>
> But in addition, the Spanish President said today: "The Government is
> doing what it has to do" ( http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20170920/
> 431423116122/cronologia-20s-inflexion-referendum-1-o.html ).
>
> So no Ayden, I think it is correct to talk about Spanish government.
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> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ayden Férdeline <ayden at ferdeline.com>
> wrote:
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>> There is a separation of powers in Spain; this action is the result of
>> judicial action, not the more ominous sounding "Spanish government" ;-). I
>> think it is important we remember this. Thanks!
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline
>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
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>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Spain/Catalunya Developments. Scary
>> Local Time: 20 September 2017 7:29 PM
>> UTC Time: 20 September 2017 18:29
>> From: raquino at gmail.com
>> To: James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
>> Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org>, Renata Avila <
>> renata.avila at webfoundation.org>, bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < <
>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>>
>> I like this thread
>>
>> https://twitter.com/netfreedom/status/910498838137499648
>>
>> The violence of it all could end up taking offline things which have
>> nothing to do w/ Catalonia at all
>>
>> i would be careful, though, with the brand "Spanish government". Itself
>> is very divided and so far I haven't really understood who was the genius
>> responsible for this raid.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:26 PM, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Im going to go out on a limb here and split my response,
>>>
>>> First - this is a terrible terrible action, the right of people to self
>>> organise and decide their future should be sacrosanct and these heavy
>>> handed tactics should be denounced far and wide. We fight against this kind
>>> of action in far flung corners of the world, in Europe we lose a lot of our
>>> creditability when we allow things like this to happen on our own doorstep.
>>>
>>> Secondly - I don’t think ICANN should have a response, at the end of the
>>> day this is a content issue and that is something ICANN has no role in. If
>>> the whole of .cat had been taken down yes that would be a different
>>> conversation but again, my understanding is that its official LEO and
>>> government actions here with the takedowns.
>>>
>>> -James
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20 Sep 2017, at 20:22, Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm writing a blogpost from PK's side.
>>>
>>> Looking forward seeing/hearing more voices :)
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>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Renata Avila <
>>> renata.avila at webfoundation.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Totally and it is not isolated from increasingly restrictive -
>>>> repressive laws and practices the Spanish government has approved and
>>>> practiced the last 5 years. And it sets a precedent of what is acceptable
>>>> if people from the international community remain silent.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, politics are complicated. Everywhere.
>>>>
>>>> But the defence of human rights is non partisan and a collective
>>>> responsibility.
>>>>
>>>> I am curious to read ICANN response and diff positions from our
>>>> organisations and spaces.
>>>>
>>>> R
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>>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> *Context: *Catalunya is holding an independence referendum next
>>>>> month. The Spanish Constitution does not recognize any kind of questioning
>>>>> of the territorial integrity of Spain. But the Catalan parliament approved
>>>>> having a referendum anyway. Today, Spanish police carried out morning raids
>>>>> at regional government offices in Barcelona, arresting several Catalan
>>>>> officials involved in preparations for the referendum. In addition,
>>>>> websites have been shutdown or blocked, and .CAT domain technical staff
>>>>> have been detained. Also, the magazines of an important independentist
>>>>> association (Omnium Cultural) have been denied delivery by the Spanish
>>>>> postal service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless of what you might think of the Catalan political process,
>>>>> independentist movements in Europe, or else, there are some things I wanted
>>>>> to bring to your attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> *The Internet:* Right now, this conflict has definitively spilled
>>>>> over Internet Freedom of Expression, human rights, and the right to an open
>>>>> Internet:
>>>>>
>>>>> .CAT domain has been intervened by the Spanish Police (Guardia Civil:
>>>>> https://twitter.com/puntcat/status/910446518494269440) All web pages
>>>>> under that domain that have information about the referendum have been
>>>>> suspended.
>>>>>
>>>>> The technical staff of .CAT has been detained by the police (including
>>>>> one ISOC-CAT member).
>>>>>
>>>>> This was the webpage calling for the catalan referendum:
>>>>> http://ref1oct.cat/. nic.EU is now hosting the webpage, but there are
>>>>> reports that Spanish authorities have ordered ISPs to block the DNSs:
>>>>> ref1oct.eu
>>>>>
>>>>> There are large DDoS attacks on some websites (apparently Cloudflare
>>>>> is under attack, as per some reports), and there is traffic
>>>>> manipulation by the ISPs (DNS blocking on certain domains).
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition, there has been confiscation of personal goods of the
>>>>> Catalan politicians, police searches in newspapers and printing plants,
>>>>> some email.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is Western Europe in 2017 that we are talking about. We should be
>>>>> worried.
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