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for redress (<a href="http://www.congreso.es/consti/constitucion/indice/titulos/articulos.jsp?ini=155&tipo=2" target="_blank">http://www.congreso.es/<wbr>consti/constitucion/indice/<wbr>titulos/articulos.jsp?ini=155&<wbr>tipo=2</a>). Point here being: there is a
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<div>There is a separation of powers in Spain; this action is the result of judicial action, not the more ominous sounding "Spanish government" ;-). I think it is important we remember this. Thanks!<span class="m_5723748753443750164HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span>
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<div>First - this is a terrible terrible action, the right of people to self organise and decide their future should be sacrosanct and these heavy handed tactics should be denounced far and wide. We fight against
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<div><span class="m_5723748753443750164m_-2692809505235727437size" style="font-size:12.8px"><b>Context: </b>Catalunya is holding an independence referendum next month. The Spanish Constitution does not recognize any kind of questioning of the territorial integrity of Spain. But the Catalan
parliament approved having a referendum anyway. Today, Spanish police carried out morning raids at regional government offices in Barcelona, arresting several Catalan officials involved in preparations for the referendum. In addition, websites have been shutdown
or blocked, and .CAT domain technical staff have been detained. Also, the magazines of an important independentist association (Omnium Cultural) have been denied delivery by the Spanish postal service.</span>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">Regardless of what you might think of the Catalan political process, independentist movements in Europe, or else, there are some things I wanted
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<div style="font-size:12.8px"><span class="m_5723748753443750164m_-2692809505235727437size" style="font-size:12.8px"><b>The Internet:</b> Right now, this conflict has definitively spilled over Internet Freedom of Expression, human rights, and the right to an open Internet:</span>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">.CAT domain has been intervened by the Spanish Police (Guardia Civil: <a href="https://twitter.com/puntcat/status/910446518494269440" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/puntcat/s<wbr>tatus/910446518494269440</a>)
All web pages under that domain that have information about the referendum have been suspended.
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">The technical staff of .CAT has been detained by the police (including one ISOC-CAT member).
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">This was the webpage calling for the catalan referendum: <a href="http://ref1oct.cat/" target="_blank">http://ref1oct.cat<wbr>/</a>. nic.EU
is now hosting the webpage, but there are reports that Spanish authorities have ordered ISPs to block the DNSs: <a style="font-size:14px" href="http://ref1oct.eu/" target="_blank">ref1oct.eu</a>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">There are large DDoS attacks on some websites (apparently Cloudflare is under attack, as per some reports<span class="m_5723748753443750164m_-2692809505235727437size" style="font-size:12.8px">), and there is traffic manipulation by the ISPs (DNS blocking on certain
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">In addition, there has been confiscation of personal goods of the Catalan politicians, police searches in newspapers and printing plants, some
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">This is Western Europe in 2017 that we are talking about. We should be worried.
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