[bestbits] Spain/Catalunya Developments. Scary
Robert Guerra
rguerra at privaterra.org
Wed Sep 20 15:53:08 EDT 2017
Spain & Cataluña have a complex and long history
It would be worthwhile to know if similar actions have been used in the
past, for instance in the basque region, where ETA (now disbanded) also
organized and articulated calls for independence of the Basque Country.
regards
Robert
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On 20 Sep 2017, at 14:49, Gus Rossi wrote:
> Which you cannot just simply fully attribute only to the Spanish
> judiciary
> just because the Spanish Constitution declares a division of powers,
> as the
> political context and history of Spain indicate otherwise. Which was
> my
> point.
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> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Ayden Férdeline
> <ayden at ferdeline.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not looking to get into the matter of the broader intervention,
>> Gus;
>> if we are focusing on the .cat situation, which is where I thought
>> the
>> conversation had gone, then that *was* a judicial decision.
>>
>> —Ayden
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 7:43 pm, Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Article 155 of the Spanish Constitution establishes a mechanism for
>> the
>> intervention of a region (Comunidad Autonoma) that requires approval
>> by the
>> Senate after the President of the Spanish Government asks the
>> President of
>> the Comunidad Autonoma for redress (http://www.congreso.es/
>> consti/constitucion/indice/titulos/articulos.jsp?ini=155&tipo=2).
>> Point
>> here being: there is a Constitutional mechanism to do what the
>> Spanish
>> executive is doing through the action of the judiciary that involves
>> and
>> includes the opinion of the Parliament. In my opinion, this is a case
>> that
>> should include the voice of the Parliament.
>>
>> But in addition, the Spanish President said today: "The Government is
>> doing what it has to do" (
>> http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20170920/
>> 431423116122/cronologia-20s-inflexion-referendum-1-o.html ).
>>
>> So no Ayden, I think it is correct to talk about Spanish government.
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>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ayden Férdeline
>> <ayden at ferdeline.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There is a separation of powers in Spain; this action is the result
>>> of
>>> judicial action, not the more ominous sounding "Spanish government"
>>> ;-). I
>>> think it is important we remember this. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Spain/Catalunya Developments. Scary
>>> Local Time: 20 September 2017 7:29 PM
>>> UTC Time: 20 September 2017 18:29
>>> From: raquino at gmail.com
>>> To: James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
>>> Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org>, Renata Avila <
>>> renata.avila at webfoundation.org>, bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < <
>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>
>>> I like this thread
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/netfreedom/status/910498838137499648
>>>
>>> The violence of it all could end up taking offline things which have
>>> nothing to do w/ Catalonia at all
>>>
>>> i would be careful, though, with the brand "Spanish government".
>>> Itself
>>> is very divided and so far I haven't really understood who was the
>>> genius
>>> responsible for this raid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:26 PM, James Gannon
>>> <james at cyberinvasion.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Im going to go out on a limb here and split my response,
>>>>
>>>> First - this is a terrible terrible action, the right of people to
>>>> self
>>>> organise and decide their future should be sacrosanct and these
>>>> heavy
>>>> handed tactics should be denounced far and wide. We fight against
>>>> this kind
>>>> of action in far flung corners of the world, in Europe we lose a
>>>> lot of our
>>>> creditability when we allow things like this to happen on our own
>>>> doorstep.
>>>>
>>>> Secondly - I don’t think ICANN should have a response, at the end
>>>> of the
>>>> day this is a content issue and that is something ICANN has no role
>>>> in. If
>>>> the whole of .cat had been taken down yes that would be a different
>>>> conversation but again, my understanding is that its official LEO
>>>> and
>>>> government actions here with the takedowns.
>>>>
>>>> -James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20 Sep 2017, at 20:22, Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm writing a blogpost from PK's side.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward seeing/hearing more voices :)
>>>>
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>>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Renata Avila <
>>>> renata.avila at webfoundation.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Totally and it is not isolated from increasingly restrictive -
>>>>> repressive laws and practices the Spanish government has approved
>>>>> and
>>>>> practiced the last 5 years. And it sets a precedent of what is
>>>>> acceptable
>>>>> if people from the international community remain silent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, politics are complicated. Everywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the defence of human rights is non partisan and a collective
>>>>> responsibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am curious to read ICANN response and diff positions from our
>>>>> organisations and spaces.
>>>>>
>>>>> R
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Renata Avila
>>>>>
>>>>> *Senior Digital Rights Advisor*
>>>>> renata.avila at webfoundation.org
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Gus Rossi
>>>>> <gus at publicknowledge.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Context: *Catalunya is holding an independence referendum next
>>>>>> month. The Spanish Constitution does not recognize any kind of
>>>>>> questioning
>>>>>> of the territorial integrity of Spain. But the Catalan parliament
>>>>>> approved
>>>>>> having a referendum anyway. Today, Spanish police carried out
>>>>>> morning raids
>>>>>> at regional government offices in Barcelona, arresting several
>>>>>> Catalan
>>>>>> officials involved in preparations for the referendum. In
>>>>>> addition,
>>>>>> websites have been shutdown or blocked, and .CAT domain technical
>>>>>> staff
>>>>>> have been detained. Also, the magazines of an important
>>>>>> independentist
>>>>>> association (Omnium Cultural) have been denied delivery by the
>>>>>> Spanish
>>>>>> postal service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regardless of what you might think of the Catalan political
>>>>>> process,
>>>>>> independentist movements in Europe, or else, there are some
>>>>>> things I wanted
>>>>>> to bring to your attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *The Internet:* Right now, this conflict has definitively spilled
>>>>>> over Internet Freedom of Expression, human rights, and the right
>>>>>> to an open
>>>>>> Internet:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .CAT domain has been intervened by the Spanish Police (Guardia
>>>>>> Civil:
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/puntcat/status/910446518494269440) All web
>>>>>> pages
>>>>>> under that domain that have information about the referendum have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> suspended.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The technical staff of .CAT has been detained by the police
>>>>>> (including
>>>>>> one ISOC-CAT member).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This was the webpage calling for the catalan referendum:
>>>>>> http://ref1oct.cat/. nic.EU is now hosting the webpage, but there
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> reports that Spanish authorities have ordered ISPs to block the
>>>>>> DNSs:
>>>>>> ref1oct.eu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are large DDoS attacks on some websites (apparently
>>>>>> Cloudflare
>>>>>> is under attack, as per some reports), and there is traffic
>>>>>> manipulation by the ISPs (DNS blocking on certain domains).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition, there has been confiscation of personal goods of the
>>>>>> Catalan politicians, police searches in newspapers and printing
>>>>>> plants,
>>>>>> some email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is Western Europe in 2017 that we are talking about. We
>>>>>> should be
>>>>>> worried.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> *Gus Rossi*
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