[bestbits] [IGFmaglist] Gender Access statistics

Wisdom Donkor wisdom.dk at gmail.com
Fri Oct 6 13:18:20 EDT 2017 

Dear Ji,

Kindly accept my apology for wrongly spelling your name.

Regards,

*WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.)*
E-government and Open Government Data Platforms Specialist
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On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 12:42 PM, 计颢骏 <ji_haojun at mfa.gov.cn> wrote:

> Dear Wisdom and all,
>
>          Thank you for your reminder.The other colleagues are talking
> about many different sexs rather than both sexs.Some are saying that gender
> issue is much more than access,but nobody is telling me what does that
> really mean.Maybe I am bit autocratic that it is provoked by autocratic
> accusation of trivalization.
>
>           By the way, my family name is Ji rather than Li.
>
>           Best regards,
>
>           JI Haojun
>
>
>
>
> ----- 回复邮件 -----
> *发信人:*Wisdom Donkor <wisdom.dk at gmail.com>
> *收信人:*计颢骏 <ji_haojun at mfa.gov.cn>
> *抄  送:*LynnSt.Amour <st.amour at bluewin.ch>,dc at intgovforum.org <
> dc at intgovforum.org>,bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <
> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>,IGFMaglist <Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>,Governance
> <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
> *时  间:*2017年10月06日 02时13分55秒
> *主  题:*Re: [IGFmaglist] Gender Access statistics
>
>
> DearLi
>
>
> Gender equality is more than a goal in itself. it is aprecondition for
> meeting the challenge of
> reducing poverty, promoting sustainable development and building
> goodgovernance.
>
>
>
> With the standalone goal for genderequality in the SDGs, goal 5, *Achieve
> gender equality and empower allwomen and girls, *the call to Leave No One
> Behind means that gendermust also be considered in every thematic area
> across all of the 17 goals. Ibelieve all of us including you no this and as
> such the importance of data inpolicy and decision-making.
>
> Data that is both sex disaggregated and gender sensitive,i.e. data that
> reflects the gendered nature of society and the differentexperiences of
> women and men, boys and girls, for the entire gender indicatorframework is
> very important that is more reason why the is the need for us
> tocollaboratively work together to bridge the gender gap globally.
>
> We all knows the importance of hardevidence data, so I cannot agree with
> you that, we are like blind peoplefeeling an elephant, you need to come
> again on this.
>
> I believe we all have nationalstatistical departments in our various
> countries not excluding China where yougot your data from for your augment;
> it is this same national data that informsglobal policy for which we are
> all discussing and trying to solve. So to ask aquestion that MAG and it
> secretariat ever did any search and analysis beforetaking on board the
> gender issues is her no there, you need to come back onthis because you are
> also member of MAG and takes part in decision making. I seeyou views very
> autocratic, if you do not agree on an issue then it shouldn't apply.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> *WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.)*
> E-government and Open Government Data Platforms Specialist
> ICANN Fellow / Member, UN IGF MAG Member, ISOC Member,
> Freedom Online Coalition (FOC) Member, Diplo Foundation Member,
> OGP Open Data WG Member, GODAN Memember, ITAG Member
> Email: wisdom.dk at gmail.com
> Skype: wisdom_dk
> facebook: facebook at wisdom_dk
> Website: www.data.gov.gh
> www.isoc.gh / www.itag.org.gh
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:25 AM, 计颢骏 <ji_haojun at mfa.gov.cn> wrote:
>
>> Dear Chair and all,
>>
>>         I have no intention to prolong the debate. But I have to say that
>> a recognized issue doesn't mean it is really an issue. An issue relevant in
>> other UN system or process doesn't mean that it should be an issue in
>> internet governance. Even if gender is an issue in the context of IG, we
>> should know to what extent it is an issue.And to address the issue, we also
>> need to know how, where and why it is an issue. Therefore, data and hard
>> evidence is very important,otherwise, we are like blind people feeling an
>> elephant. Could a doctor correctly come up with a therapy without knowing
>> the symptoms of a patient?    I would like to ask whether MAG and its
>> secretariat ever did any data search and analysis before taking on board
>> the gender issue? If gender issue in the IG is not access only, then what
>> are the other issues related to gender in this context? Do we really know
>> what we are talking about?
>>
>>         Best regards,
>>
>>         JI Haojun
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- 回复邮件 -----
>> *发信人:*Lynn St.Amour <st.amour at bluewin.ch>
>> *收信人:*计颢骏 <ji_haojun at mfa.gov.cn>
>> *抄  送:*dc at intgovforum.org <dc at intgovforum.org>,Governance <
>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <
>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>,IGF Maglist <Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>> *时  间:*2017年10月04日 23时32分30秒
>> *主  题:*Re: [IGFmaglist] Gender Access statistics
>>
>>
>> Dear Ji,
>>
>> Gender issues are much more than just access related. The fact that there
>> are many issues regarding gender is very well accepted both inside and and
>> outside the UN system and processes.
>>
>> It is a recognized problem. It does not need another data search before
>> concluding that it is a problem.
>>
>> The MAG formally supported a Best Practice Forum (BPF) on Gender and a
>> Main session. All this in addition to several Workshops also being selected
>> by the MAG. This is what we (the MAG and community) are all working to
>> support. And, will continue to support judging by the many comments on the
>> list.
>>
>> Best,
>> Lynn
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:43 AM, 计颢骏 <ji_haojun at mfa.gov.cn> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Chair and all,
>> >
>> > I am glad to share with you the following data:
>> >
>> > In 2015, the male/female ratio in China's total population is 51.2:48.8.
>> >
>> > In 2016, the male/female ratio in China's netizen is 51.3:48.7.
>> >
>> > It is safe to say that,generally speaking, gender equality on internet
>> access is not a problem in China at least, though the statistics may vary
>> in different provinces and regions.
>> >
>> > I am also aware that China's statistics can not represent the whole
>> world. Therefore,before we decide whether it is a problem, we need to get
>> the relevant global,regional and country specific data first.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > JI Haojun
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- 回复邮件 -----
>> > 发信人:Lynn St.Amour <st.amour at bluewin.ch>
>> > 收信人:计颢骏 <ji_haojun at mfa.gov.cn>
>> > 抄 送:JacsmKee <jac at apcwomen.org>,IGF Maglist <Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org
>> >,b <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>estbits at lists.bestbits.net <
>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>,Governance <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,
>> dc at intgovforum.org <dc at intgovforum.org>
>> > 时 间:2017年09月29日 20时39分10秒
>> > 主 题:Re: [IGFmaglist] IGF Best Practice Forum on Gender: Access
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Ji,
>> >
>> > your comment below trivializes the very important gender discussion,
>> and much of the work of the MAG.
>> >
>> > Equally, it is important that we maintain a culture of respect in all
>> MAG communications, and I hope we can achieve this going forward.
>> >
>> > Lynn St.Amour
>> >
>> > IGF-MAG Chair
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Sep 28, 2017, at 9:24 AM, 计颢骏 <ji_haojun at mfa.gov.cn> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dear all,
>> > >
>> > > I think the access issue,for some countries, shall start from
>> allowing women to drive and travel alone first.
>> > >
>> > > JI Haojun
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- 回复邮件 -----
>> > > 发信人:Jac sm Kee <jac at apcwomen.org>
>> > > 收信人:Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org <Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>,<
>> <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> <
>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>,Governance <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,
>> dc at intgovforum.org <dc at intgovforum.org>
>> > > 时 间:2017年09月27日 18时05分01秒
>> > > 主 题:[IGFmaglist] IGF Best Practice Forum on Gender: Access
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dear colleagues,
>> > >
>> > > As mentioned in previous meetings, the IGF Best Practice Forum on
>> > > Gender this year is looking specifically at access issues faced by:
>> > >
>> > > a) Indigenous women
>> > > b) Refugee women
>> > > c) Women with disabilities
>> > > d) Young women
>> > > e) Rural women
>> > >
>> > > We are looking for insights and initiatives that you may know of that
>> > > addresses these issues directly, or in partial or indrect ways. To
>> help
>> > > in this process, we have developed a brief survey here:
>> > >
>> > > https://www.apc.org/limesurvey/index.php/783797/lang-en
>> > >
>> > > Please do submit your work into this process, and would appreciate it
>> > > if you can share this broadly and in targetted ways to your networks.
>> > >
>> > > Best,
>> > > jac
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > ---------------------------------
>> > > Jac sm Kee
>> > > Manager, Women's Rights Programme
>> > > Association for Progressive Communications
>> > > www.apc.org | www.takebackthetech.net | erotics.apc.org
>> > > Jitsi: jacsmk | Skype: jacsmk | Twitter: @jhybe
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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