[bestbits] [IGFmaglist] Gender Access statistics
avri doria
avri at acm.org
Sat Oct 7 18:28:34 EDT 2017
Hi,
Thank you for the reminder that it is not just gender prejudice and
violence against women on the Internet that we need to worry about but
also the plight of many of the LGBTQI on the Internet in many
countries. Access, safe access, is indeed a critical issue.
Gender access statistics would be a good start.
Thanks for the reminder
avri
On 06-Oct-17 08:42, 计颢骏 wrote:
>
> Dear Wisdom and all,
>
> Thank you for your reminder.The other colleagues are talking
> about many different sexs rather than both sexs.Some are saying that
> gender issue is much more than access,but nobody is telling me what
> does that really mean.Maybe I am bit autocratic that it is provoked by
> autocratic accusation of trivalization.
>
> By the way, my family name is Ji rather than Li.
>
> Best regards,
>
> JI Haojun
>
>
>
>
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> *时 间:*2017年10月06日 02时13分55秒
> *主 题:*Re: [IGFmaglist] Gender Access statistics
>
>
> DearLi
>
>
> Gender equality is more than a goal in itself. it is aprecondition
> for meeting the challenge of
> reducing poverty, promoting sustainable development and building
> goodgovernance.
>
>
>
> With the standalone goal for genderequality in the SDGs, goal
> 5, /Achieve gender equality and empower allwomen and girls, /the
> call to Leave No One Behind means that gendermust also be
> considered in every thematic area across all of the 17 goals.
> Ibelieve all of us including you no this and as such the
> importance of data inpolicy and decision-making.
>
> Data that is both sex disaggregated and gender sensitive,i.e. data
> that reflects the gendered nature of society and the
> differentexperiences of women and men, boys and girls, for the
> entire gender indicatorframework is very important that is more
> reason why the is the need for us tocollaboratively work together
> to bridge the gender gap globally.
>
> We all knows the importance of hardevidence data, so I cannot
> agree with you that, we are like blind peoplefeeling an elephant,
> you need to come again on this.
>
> I believe we all have nationalstatistical departments in our
> various countries not excluding China where yougot your data from
> for your augment; it is this same national data that informsglobal
> policy for which we are all discussing and trying to solve. So to
> ask aquestion that MAG and it secretariat ever did any search and
> analysis beforetaking on board the gender issues is her no there,
> you need to come back onthis because you are also member of MAG
> and takes part in decision making. I seeyou views very autocratic,
> if you do not agree on an issue then it shouldn't apply.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> *WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.)*
> E-government and Open Government Data Platforms Specialist*
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> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:25 AM, 计颢骏 <ji_haojun at mfa.gov.cn
> <mailto:ji_haojun at mfa.gov.cn>> wrote:
>
> Dear Chair and all,
>
> I have no intention to prolong the debate. But I have
> to say that a recognized issue doesn't mean it is really an
> issue. An issue relevant in other UN system or process doesn't
> mean that it should be an issue in internet governance. Even
> if gender is an issue in the context of IG, we should know to
> what extent it is an issue.And to address the issue, we also
> need to know how, where and why it is an issue. Therefore,
> data and hard evidence is very important,otherwise, we are
> like blind people feeling an elephant. Could a doctor
> correctly come up with a therapy without knowing the symptoms
> of a patient? I would like to ask whether MAG and its
> secretariat ever did any data search and analysis before
> taking on board the gender issue? If gender issue in the IG is
> not access only, then what are the other issues related to
> gender in this context? Do we really know what we are talking
> about?
>
> Best regards,
>
> JI Haojun
>
>
>
>
>
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> *时 间:*2017年10月04日 23时32分30秒
> *主 题:*Re: [IGFmaglist] Gender Access statistics
>
>
> Dear Ji,
>
> Gender issues are much more than just access related. The
> fact that there are many issues regarding gender is very
> well accepted both inside and and outside the UN system
> and processes.
>
> It is a recognized problem. It does not need another data
> search before concluding that it is a problem.
>
> The MAG formally supported a Best Practice Forum (BPF) on
> Gender and a Main session. All this in addition to several
> Workshops also being selected by the MAG. This is what we
> (the MAG and community) are all working to support. And,
> will continue to support judging by the many comments on
> the list.
>
> Best,
> Lynn
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:43 AM, 计颢骏 <ji_haojun at mfa.gov.cn
> <mailto:ji_haojun at mfa.gov.cn>> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Chair and all,
> >
> > I am glad to share with you the following data:
> >
> > In 2015, the male/female ratio in China's total
> population is 51.2:48.8.
> >
> > In 2016, the male/female ratio in China's netizen is
> 51.3:48.7.
> >
> > It is safe to say that,generally speaking, gender
> equality on internet access is not a problem in China at
> least, though the statistics may vary in different
> provinces and regions.
> >
> > I am also aware that China's statistics can not
> represent the whole world. Therefore,before we decide
> whether it is a problem, we need to get the relevant
> global,regional and country specific data first.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > JI Haojun
> >
> >
> >
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> > 时 间:2017年09月29日 20时39分10秒
> > 主 题:Re: [IGFmaglist] IGF Best Practice Forum on Gender:
> Access
> >
> >
> > Dear Ji,
> >
> > your comment below trivializes the very important gender
> discussion, and much of the work of the MAG.
> >
> > Equally, it is important that we maintain a culture of
> respect in all MAG communications, and I hope we can
> achieve this going forward.
> >
> > Lynn St.Amour
> >
> > IGF-MAG Chair
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 28, 2017, at 9:24 AM, 计颢骏 <ji_haojun at mfa.gov.cn
> <mailto:ji_haojun at mfa.gov.cn>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I think the access issue,for some countries, shall
> start from allowing women to drive and travel alone first.
> > >
> > > JI Haojun
> > >
> > >
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> > > 时 间:2017年09月27日 18时05分01秒
> > > 主 题:[IGFmaglist] IGF Best Practice Forum on Gender:
> Access
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear colleagues,
> > >
> > > As mentioned in previous meetings, the IGF Best
> Practice Forum on
> > > Gender this year is looking specifically at access
> issues faced by:
> > >
> > > a) Indigenous women
> > > b) Refugee women
> > > c) Women with disabilities
> > > d) Young women
> > > e) Rural women
> > >
> > > We are looking for insights and initiatives that you
> may know of that
> > > addresses these issues directly, or in partial or
> indrect ways. To help
> > > in this process, we have developed a brief survey here:
> > >
> > >
> https://www.apc.org/limesurvey/index.php/783797/lang-en
> <https://www.apc.org/limesurvey/index.php/783797/lang-en>
> > >
> > > Please do submit your work into this process, and
> would appreciate it
> > > if you can share this broadly and in targetted ways to
> your networks.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > jac
> > >
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