[bestbits] [governance] Call for Participation: Global Congress on Intellectual Property and the Public Interest, 2015

Sat May 23 14:37:32 EDT 2015

Parminder, to be honest, this dialogue to me exemplifies the problems with 
the dialogue here. You've known me for many years and the positions I 
routinely take. We have had this conversation before, I won't burden this 
list with a rerun. I won't be replying further on this subject. Life's too 
short.

On 23 May 2015 8:19:49 pm parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

> On Saturday 23 May 2015 11:19 PM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
> >
> > Dear Parminder, nobody can stop you from assuming the worst, but that
> > doesn't make it true. Candidly, it does increase the overall hostility
> > on the list, which seems to me the opposite of what this liat needs.
> >
> > As to your question, which has been asked and answered before several
> > times in different forms in this list and the ICC list too, yes I am.
> > Even more so given my present professional post ends in a few days at
> > the end of this month.
> >
>
> Dear Nick,
>
> I am asking your present affiliation, about which I am still not clear
> from the above. Even President Obama can claim he is civil society
> person with a right to intervene in civil society procedural discussions
> but then that would be odd, and unacceptable,  isnt it.... (And think of
> Obama trying to justify it by saying that he is going to lay down office
> quite soon!)
>
> The website of your organisation IDEA, whose composition, purpose and
> funding, I still do not yet understand,  currently lists you  -
> apparently its only staff member - as ' Nick Ashton-Hart is the senior
> permanent representative of the technology sector to the UN, its
> member-states, and the international organisations in Geneva'. I am not
> sure if IDEA can be considered as  a civil society organisation with its
> only staff being the rep of the tech industry sector.... Really more
> than a bit funny, I must say.
>
> Let me tell you, any worthwhile civil society group I know would find
> all this as extremely odd, and unacceptable. This strange normlessness
> and corporate-friendly promiscuity in the IG civil society is exactly
> what my earlier email was talking about. It is this which does not allow
> global IG CS to develop the right conceptions of public interest in
> global IG, much less let it fight forcefully for it. I and groups I work
> with consider it an extremly important issue in our civil society work,
> and would keep taking it up forcefully.
>
> Best, parminder
>
>
> > On 23 May 2015 19:24:46 parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Saturday 23 May 2015 10:01 PM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
> >>> +1
> >>
> >> Not sure what you are plus-one-ing to, Nick, but if indeed you want
> >> to make a spectacle of it, well fine by me... I was trying a reasoned
> >> discussion on what kind of civil society spaces we need to promote
> >> public interest but you dont seem to be wanting any of it. You are
> >> baying for blood, so as to say.
> >>
> >> So, let me ask you, since you are dispensing gratuitous advice on
> >> what should be the nature of civil society, and indeed what is an ok
> >> subject to discuss on the bestbits list, are you a civil society
> >> member. Just a direct question for self identification . Last time I
> >> checked BestBits was a civil society coalition, and while it may be
> >> so that we may not really  be too fussy about people observing
> >> proceedings and also maybe sometimes do a post or too, but you are
> >> actually telling how bestbits group should conduct its business, and
> >> I also have seem numerous comments of a similar kind about the IGC list.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the information, and no offense personally. Your example
> >> is quite a good and live one for my discussion on the problematic
> >> construction of civil society spaces in the IG area. I would have
> >> tried to not directly talk about it, just not to hurt anyone, but
> >> since you are pushing the issue hard I dont think I need to have any
> >> of such qualms.
> >>
> >> Have a good day!
> >>
> >> parminder
> >>>> On 23 May 2015, at 17:42, Claudio Ruiz <claudio at derechosdigitales.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> With all due respect, I don’t have the time neither the energy of 
> answering
> >>>> a 1,500 words email.
> >>>> Happy to engage in long discussions face to face or with a beer. Not by
> >>>> email in a mailing list. That’s the whole point, at the end.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> —Claudio Ruiz
> >>>> derechosdigitales.org | @claudio
> >>>> PGP fingerprint
> >>>> C40E 0C6E E7B2 FA91 D8A9 1FC4 74D2 5C4D B603 D089
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 23-05-2015, at 4:32, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (…)
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