[bestbits] [governance] Call for Participation: Global Congress on Intellectual Property and the Public Interest, 2015

[parminder]

On Saturday 23 May 2015 11:19 PM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
>
> Dear Parminder, nobody can stop you from assuming the worst, but that
> doesn't make it true. Candidly, it does increase the overall hostility
> on the list, which seems to me the opposite of what this liat needs.
>
> As to your question, which has been asked and answered before several
> times in different forms in this list and the ICC list too, yes I am.
> Even more so given my present professional post ends in a few days at
> the end of this month.
>

Dear Nick,

I am asking your present affiliation, about which I am still not clear
from the above. Even President Obama can claim he is civil society
person with a right to intervene in civil society procedural discussions
but then that would be odd, and unacceptable,  isnt it.... (And think of
Obama trying to justify it by saying that he is going to lay down office
quite soon!)
 
The website of your organisation IDEA, whose composition, purpose and
funding, I still do not yet understand,  currently lists you  -
apparently its only staff member - as ' Nick Ashton-Hart is the senior
permanent representative of the technology sector to the UN, its
member-states, and the international organisations in Geneva'. I am not
sure if IDEA can be considered as  a civil society organisation with its
only staff being the rep of the tech industry sector.... Really more
than a bit funny, I must say.

Let me tell you, any worthwhile civil society group I know would find
all this as extremely odd, and unacceptable. This strange normlessness
and corporate-friendly promiscuity in the IG civil society is exactly
what my earlier email was talking about. It is this which does not allow
global IG CS to develop the right conceptions of public interest in
global IG, much less let it fight forcefully for it. I and groups I work
with consider it an extremly important issue in our civil society work,
and would keep taking it up forcefully.

Best, parminder


> On 23 May 2015 19:24:46 parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday 23 May 2015 10:01 PM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
>>> +1
>>
>> Not sure what you are plus-one-ing to, Nick, but if indeed you want
>> to make a spectacle of it, well fine by me... I was trying a reasoned
>> discussion on what kind of civil society spaces we need to promote
>> public interest but you dont seem to be wanting any of it. You are
>> baying for blood, so as to say.
>>
>> So, let me ask you, since you are dispensing gratuitous advice on
>> what should be the nature of civil society, and indeed what is an ok
>> subject to discuss on the bestbits list, are you a civil society
>> member. Just a direct question for self identification . Last time I
>> checked BestBits was a civil society coalition, and while it may be
>> so that we may not really  be too fussy about people observing
>> proceedings and also maybe sometimes do a post or too, but you are
>> actually telling how bestbits group should conduct its business, and
>> I also have seem numerous comments of a similar kind about the IGC list.
>>
>> Thanks for the information, and no offense personally. Your example
>> is quite a good and live one for my discussion on the problematic
>> construction of civil society spaces in the IG area. I would have
>> tried to not directly talk about it, just not to hurt anyone, but
>> since you are pushing the issue hard I dont think I need to have any
>> of such qualms.
>>
>> Have a good day!
>>
>> parminder
>>>> On 23 May 2015, at 17:42, Claudio Ruiz <claudio at derechosdigitales.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> With all due respect, I don’t have the time neither the energy of answering
>>>> a 1,500 words email.
>>>> Happy to engage in long discussions face to face or with a beer. Not by
>>>> email in a mailing list. That’s the whole point, at the end.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> —Claudio Ruiz
>>>> derechosdigitales.org | @claudio
>>>> PGP fingerprint
>>>> C40E 0C6E E7B2 FA91 D8A9 1FC4 74D2 5C4D B603 D089
>>>>
>>>>> On 23-05-2015, at 4:32, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
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