[bestbits] Call for Submissions for new UN study on use of encryption and anonymity

Tue Jan 20 13:24:38 EST 2015

Dear all,

The first time I heard this, I wondered the practicality and implication;
so every bank in the UK will stop running on https, it also mean a typical
UK govt official will be banned from setting up VPN link in other to have
private conversations.

I believe UK govt knows the implication of banning encryption, however I
think the collaboration between UK/US will be more about having a looking
glass through the encrypted traffic which will also be good news to hackers
;-)

Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4
kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 20 Jan 2015 07:41, "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nashton at consensus.pro> wrote:

> Dear Ian,
>
> I hope we are all wrong in our pessimism. Personally I think the 'other
> side' will be too clever to go for outlawing encryption. They'll go for a
> populist conception like a 'front door' to break it when they 'need' access
> - it will sound great to the vast majority who don't understand there are
> no front doors, only back doors.
>
> There will be strong opposition from industry, undoubtedly. However,
> countries are already conflating their use of data and that of the private
> sector precisely because it puts the private sector on the defensive.
>
> There is division in the US Reps on this true - however that's far from
> the only country where this is playing out and in a number of European
> countries the laws are already pretty bad, and candidly I think there's far
> too much focus on the US changing its laws when this problem is inherently
> global, not national, and the fight is being lost, not won, more often than
> not; the obsession with US reform is sucking in an enormous amount of
> airtime and energy. I fear, very much, for my country, the UK - everything
> hangs on the election result.
>
> On 20 Jan 2015, at 04:33, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>
>    I tend to agree Nick – I thing there may be a strong push to outlaw
> some sorts of encryption as part of a very strong push to increase
> surveillance in coming months. However,
> I think many industry voices will side with us in opposition to this. Plus
> I would suspect republican majority in USA is divided on this. So I think
> the debate could turn and we should make strong efforts.
>
> To me there is a strong argument that any steps to control encryption will
> have no effect on terrorism at all, because new forms of encryption will
> evolve anyway faster than they can be regulated. Just as any increases in
> mass surveillance are unlikely to have any effect on terrorism whatsoever
> (see
> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26801-mass-surveillance-not-effective-for-finding-terrorists.html#.VL2JBEeUdVT)
> In both the recent Sydney and Paris incidents the people responsible were
> already well known to police and under surveillance but that did not stop
> them.
>
> However, the efforts will create further extensive and widespread distrust
> in the Internet. That is a serious problem.
>
> We will have strong allies here in both technical community and among
> business interests.
>
>
> Ian
>
>
>
>
>
>  *From:* Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton at consensus.pro>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 9:15 AM
> *To:* Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> *Cc:* Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini at gmail.com> ; Joana Varon
> <joana at varonferraz.com> ; Deborah Brown <deborah at apc.org> ;
> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Call for Submissions for new UN study on use of
> encryption and anonymity
>
> Sadly, though I am not a betting man, I would put money on the premise
> that far from surveillance reform in 2015 we will actually find we're
> fighting a pretty desperate battle for things not to go badly wrong the
> other direction.
>
> ... and I would very, very much love to be wrong.
>
>  On 19 Jan 2015, at 23:04, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>
>  I think a response is extremely important, having just read this.
>
>
> http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/obama-announces-new-cyber-war-games-partnership-with-great-britain-20150116
>
> It suggests that Obama may side with UK in trying to outlaw strong
> encryption
>
> Ian
>
> From: Carolina Rossini
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 8:25 AM
> To: Joana Varon
> Cc: Deborah Brown ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Call for Submissions for new UN study on use of
> encryption and anonymity
>
> Do we want to send something as BestBits?
> Folks from the list, any interest for a collective input?
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Joana Varon <joana at varonferraz.com>
> wrote:
>
> Very important. Thanks for sharing. Will be happy to produce inputs from
> the Brazilian Perspective. If anyone from Latam also want to do so, please,
> ping me and we can do something regional.
> best
> jo
>
>
> On 19 January 2015 16:09:48 GMT-02:00, Deborah Brown <deborah at apc.org>
> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----Hash: SHA512Dear all,In case of
> interest, the new UN Special Rapporteur David Kaye is lookingat the use of
> encryption and anonymity in his first report and isencouraging input from
> civil society. The deadline is 10 Feb.Best,
> Deborahhttp://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/FreedomOpinion/Pages/CallForSubmission.aspx
> Special Rapporteur will study the use of encryption and anonymityin digital
> communications in his 2015 HRC reportThe Special Rapporteur on the
> protection and promotion of the right tofreedom of opinion and expression,
> David Kaye, is currently preparing areport on the legal framework governing
> the relationship between freedomof expression and the use of encryption to
> secure transactions andcommunications, and other technologies to transact
> and communicateanonymously online. This report will be presented to the
> Human RightsCouncil in June, 2015.To prepare his study, Mr. Kaye is
> gathering information on nationallaws, regulations, policies or practices
> that permit or limit, directlyor indirectly, the use of encryption
> technologies and services or theability of individuals to communicate
> anonymously online. All States arebeing asked called to submit information
> on their relevant nationalnorms and policies.Similarly, the Special
> Rapporteur would like to encourage all interestednon-governmental
> stakeholders – including civil society, corporateactors, international and
> regional organizations, and national humanrights institutions – to provide
> their views on the appropriate scope ofthe right to freedom of expression
> as applied to encryption andanonymity. He would particularly appreciate
> receiving commentsaddressing this matter from legal, state practice, or
> technicalperspectives.Any available information should be sent
> electronically tofreedex at ohchr.org <mailto:freedex at ohchr.org
> <freedex at ohchr.org>>, *not later than 10February 2015*.-----BEGIN PGP
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