[bestbits] new BB statement - reflections on NM

Mon May 5 11:56:24 EDT 2014

Hi all,

I hope all the language is fixed today, and so the statement will go live
without password protection. I hope more can join :-)

Best and enjoy your week

On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:

> Indeed! My English interpreter says all ;)
>
> sent from Google nexus 4
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> On 2 May 2014 21:27, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>
>> Godwin, your friend is not very good at English. "Computer-crime
>> defendants" without a modifier means an indeterminate number of them, not
>> all of them... So you were probably right. ;)
>>
>> [] fraterno
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>> sent from a dumbphone
>>
>> On 02/05/2014, at 19:28, "Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG)" <
>> mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG> wrote:
>>
>>
>> This reminds me of a friend who asked me a couple of decades back what I
>> was doing in my post-law-school work. “I represent computer-crime
>> defendants,” I told him. His response: “What? All of them?"
>> --
>>
>> *Mike Godwin* | Senior Legal Advisor, Global Internet Policy Project
>>
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>>
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>> From: michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
>> Date: Friday, May 2, 2014 at 1:17 PM
>> To: 'Carolina Rossini' <carolina.rossini at gmail.com>, 'Eduardo Bertoni' <
>> ebertoni65 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>> Subject: RE: [bestbits] new BB statement - reflections on NM
>>
>> Carolina in the statement (and in the other statement as I recall) the
>> terminology of “we as civil society” was used repeatedly either directly
>> or as implied.
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps, given what you say below you might want to correct that (it
>> seems a wee bit arrogant to my ears to be claiming to be speaking on behalf
>> of all of civil society—I know for example that I, and my Community
>> Informatics colleagues weren’t consulted… and I’m guessing that the other
>> several billion or so folks who might identify themselves as CS weren’t
>> consulted either.
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [
>> mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net<bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Carolina Rossini
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2014 5:23 PM
>> *To:* Eduardo Bertoni
>> *Cc:* <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt
>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] new BB statement - reflections on NM
>>
>>
>>
>> I do not think it is a contradiction. It just mirrors different
>> reflections by many who did not feel represented in the statement delivered
>> at the end. BB is a platform, not a body or an organization. Not every
>> statement is signed by every organization engaged in BB activities. That is
>> how I see this and - if I understood correctly many of the discussions of
>> this list and face to face meetings - that is how the majority of folks
>> feels about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Eduardo Bertoni <ebertoni65 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a bit confused. Maybe my confusion comes because, as I asked in the
>> meeting in Bali, it is not clear what bestbits is. Is it a network of
>> organizations? A platform for open discussions? etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> At the end of NetMundial a document called "
>> Civil society closing statement at NETmundial 2014
>>
>>  " was distributed. My understanding was that it was our 'bestbits'
>> "closing" statement. Then I read statements coming from many individual
>> organizations. That, of course, is perfectly fine. And now I see there is
>> another document distributed by Carolina, with a different tone and a
>> different perspective, also in bestbits. The new title is
>> Civil society statement: reflections on NETmundial
>>
>>
>>
>> So, just to understand clearly: Why is it necessary to issue a new
>> bestbits document? Don´t you think that having too many documents with
>> different views about NetMundial demonstrates the lack of consensus of
>> civil society about the final output of NetMundial?
>>
>>
>>
>> Apologies in advance if I am misunderstanding these two documents. But I
>> think the tone in each is entirely different, and since I signed the first
>> one, it would be hard to sign the second one.
>>
>>
>>
>> The fact that there is no consensus is not necessarily a problem.
>> However, it could be used by governments and others to stop listening to us
>> because they could point out that we don't have a common understanding of
>> critical issues. Why should we open the door to that?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>>  Eduardo Bertoni
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Carolina Rossini <
>> carolina.rossini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Dear colleagues,
>>
>>
>>
>> During the last few days, and to deal with the frustration some of us
>> have been feeling, I put together a basic statement text that has received
>> inputs from many of you so far. It grow from 1 page to almost 2. I do feel
>> we have reached a point where the text is closed and round. So I write to
>> you to ask you consider signing it. It bring reflections on the NetMundial
>> results. I hope this is more representative of how many of us feel. And I
>> do think it is a good closure step.  It was in a google document
>> until recently, but Jeremy did the favor to put it online, behind a
>> password.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://bestbits.net/netmundial-reflections/
>>
>> pass: bestbits
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam as suggested small changes - mostly regarding flow, and I will look
>> for Jeremy online to adopt those.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope you can consider signing it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Carolina Rossini*
>>
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>>
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>> *carolina.rossini at gmail.com*
>>
>> skype: carolrossini
>>
>> @carolinarossini
>>
>>
>>
>>
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