<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>I hope all the language is fixed today, and so the statement will go live without password protection. I hope more can join :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Best and enjoy your week</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Seun Ojedeji <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Indeed! My English interpreter says all ;)</p><div class="im HOEnZb">
<p dir="ltr">sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.</p>
</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On 2 May 2014 21:27, "Carlos A. Afonso" <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto"><div>Godwin, your friend is not very good at English. "Computer-crime defendants" without a modifier means an indeterminate number of them, not all of them... So you were probably right. ;)</div>
<div><br></div><div>[] fraterno</div><div><br></div><div>--c.a.<br><br>sent from a dumbphone</div><div><br>On 02/05/2014, at 19:28, "Mike Godwin (<a href="mailto:mgodwin@INTERNEWS.ORG" target="_blank">mgodwin@INTERNEWS.ORG</a>)" <<a href="mailto:mgodwin@INTERNEWS.ORG" target="_blank">mgodwin@INTERNEWS.ORG</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div><div><div><br></div><div>This reminds me of a friend who asked me a couple of decades back what I was doing in my post-law-school work. “I represent computer-crime defendants,” I told him. His response: “What? <span style="font-weight:bold">All</span> of them?"</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span> michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Friday, May 2, 2014 at 1:17 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> 'Carolina Rossini' <<a href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com" target="_blank">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a>>, 'Eduardo Bertoni' <<a href="mailto:ebertoni65@gmail.com" target="_blank">ebertoni65@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> RE: [bestbits] new BB statement - reflections on NM<br></div><div><br></div><div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Carolina in the statement (and in the other statement as I recall) the terminology of “</span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">we as civil society” was used repeatedly either directly or as implied.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Perhaps, given what you say below you might want to correct that (it seems a wee bit arrogant to my ears to be claiming to be speaking on behalf of all of civil society—I know for example that I, and my Community Informatics colleagues weren’t consulted… and I’m guessing that the other several billion or so folks who might identify themselves as CS weren’t consulted either.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a> [<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carolina Rossini<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 02, 2014 5:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> Eduardo Bertoni<br><b>Cc:</b> <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>> <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net>" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] new BB statement - reflections on NM<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">I do not think it is a contradiction. It just mirrors different reflections by many who did not feel represented in the statement delivered at the end. BB is a platform, not a body or an organization. Not every statement is signed by every organization engaged in BB activities. That is how I see this and - if I understood correctly many of the discussions of this list and face to face meetings - that is how the majority of folks feels about it. <u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Eduardo Bertoni <<a href="mailto:ebertoni65@gmail.com" target="_blank">ebertoni65@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear Colleagues,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I am a bit confused. Maybe my confusion comes because, as I asked in the meeting in Bali, it is not clear what bestbits is. Is it a network of organizations? A platform for open discussions? etc.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">At the end of NetMundial a document called "<u></u><u></u></p></div><h1 style="line-height:22.5pt;background:whitesmoke;outline:0px;background-repeat:no-repeat">
<span style="font-size:20.5pt;font-family:'Open Sans',serif;color:rgb(0,92,128);font-weight:normal">Civil society closing statement at NETmundial 2014<u></u><u></u></span></h1><div><p class="MsoNormal"> " was distributed. My understanding was that it was our 'bestbits' "closing" statement. Then I read statements coming from many individual organizations. That, of course, is perfectly fine. And now I see there is another document distributed by Carolina, with a different tone and a different perspective, also in bestbits. The new title is<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><h1 style="line-height:22.5pt;background:whitesmoke;outline:0px;background-repeat:no-repeat"><span style="font-size:20.5pt;font-family:'Open Sans',serif;color:rgb(0,92,128);font-weight:normal">Civil society statement: reflections on NETmundial<u></u><u></u></span></h1>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">So, just to understand clearly: Why is it necessary to issue a new bestbits document? Don´t you think that having too many documents with different views about NetMundial demonstrates the lack of consensus of civil society about the final output of NetMundial?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Apologies in advance if I am misunderstanding these two documents. But I think the tone in each is entirely different, and since I signed the first one, it would be hard to sign the second one.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The fact that there is no consensus is not necessarily a problem. However, it could be used by governments and others to stop listening to us because they could point out that we don't have a common understanding of critical issues. Why should we open the door to that?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Best<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888"><br clear="all"><span><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">Eduardo Bertoni</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Carolina Rossini <<a href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com" target="_blank">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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Dear colleagues,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">During the last few days, and to deal with the frustration some of us have been feeling, I put together a basic statement text that has received inputs from many of you so far. It grow from 1 page to almost 2. I do feel we have reached a point where the text is closed and round. So I write to you to ask you consider signing it. It bring reflections on the NetMundial results. I hope this is more representative of how many of us feel. And I do think it is a good closure step. It was in a google document until recently, but Jeremy did the favor to put it online, behind a password. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href="http://bestbits.net/netmundial-reflections/" target="_blank">http://bestbits.net/netmundial-reflections/</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">pass: bestbits</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Adam as suggested small changes - mostly regarding flow, and I will look for Jeremy online to adopt those. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I hope you can consider signing it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Thank you<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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