[bestbits] Re: notes from meeting with FADI in DC

Sun Feb 2 14:57:06 EST 2014

Hey,

Just to follow up to Carolina's earlier email, in the meeting last week we
underscored the need for human rights principles to form the foundation for
the NetMundial discussion.

Essentially, I made the point, that if one of the goals of the meeting is
to produce a set of global principles for internet governance, the
principles must be rooted in the international human rights framework and
be accepted/endorsed by the global users they're meant to benefit. In doing
so, I referred to the Human Rights Council resolution 20/8 on the
promotion, protection and enjoyment of human rights on the Internet (which
I have since sent through to Chris and Fadi).

We also pointed out that there a number of sets of principles out there
already as Adam notes, so we should be careful not to unnecessarily
reinvent the wheel. I made particular reference to the Internet Rights and
Principles Charter which Carolina has also sent through as part of a
package that compares the different sets of principles out there. She
included a link to Necessary and Proportionate.

For what its worth there seemed to be a lot of support for the human rights
framework in the room, including from Fadi who asked that this be followed
up on, saying that human right should 'anchor' the discussion and feed into
the strategy panel deliberations.

I am not sure however what is the best way to reach consensus ahead of or
during the Brazil discussion, but certainly Carolina's principles mapping
docs are helpful to demonstrate the synergies and differences amongst the
existing sets.

As I understand it they have employed a VP for Public Responsibility, Nora
Abusitta. It might be good to get a better sense of her role at ICANN, as
Fadi mentioned her both at the at that meeting and the State of Net
conference the day before in DC.

Brett

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On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:

>
> On Jan 31, 2014, at 1:50 AM, Carolina Rossini wrote:
>
> > What do you mean? The website netmundial.org  is open for suggestions.
> >
> >
>
>
> I would hold off sending anything to the website until there is a call for
> contributions. This should come very soon.
>
> Reason I'm asking about the key principles statements is to get some idea
> about how we might plan for discussion in Sao Paulo, how to achieve the
> best outcome (whatever that might be - and that itself a good topic to
> discuss.)
>
> The agenda allows for about 4 hours of discussion, so my personal hope is
> we'll be able to start the meeting with some consensus on core principles
> that might form the basis of a universal statement -- with the universal
> statement, or a draft of it, an outcome of this part of the meeting.
>
> We've heard a few times that there are perhaps 25 key statements of
> principles.  So, based on those how can we reach a rough consensus on which
> are the core/common/essential principles for a universal statement?  One
> way might be to ask people to consider the key (25?) statements and from
> those identify which they think are the core principles, and ask for some
> justification for their selections.  Might narrow down to a common set
> which can be further discussed.  But to do this, do need to identify the
> key statements (hence my email below.)
>
> I don't know if the exec comm will agree this is a reasonable approach, or
> if CS will.  But interested to hear.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
> > Hi Carolina,
> >
> > Could you recommend the key principles statements we might consider.
> >
> > Jeremy drew up a list: <
> http://bestbits.net/wiki/main/statements-of-internet-rights-and-principles/
> >
> >
> > Add President Rousseff's speech to the UN GA <
> http://gadebate.un.org/sites/default/files/gastatements/68/BR_en.pdf> and
> also the UN "right to privacy in the digital age" (based on the
> Brazil+German draft, copy attached).
> >
> > Necessary and proportionate <
> https://en.necessaryandproportionate.org/text> and Carl Bildt's Seoul
> cyber conf speech <http://www.government.se/sb/d/17281/a/226592>, both
> spoken highly of in Bali.
> >
> > Marco Civil should be consider if it passes and if Brazil wants it
> there.  Community informatics statement <
> http://cirn.wikispaces.com/An+Internet+for+the+Common+Good+-+Engagement%2C+Empowerment%2C+and+Justice+for+All>
> (though  I think a bit aspirational).
> >
> > Is that it, what am I missing?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 31, 2014, at 1:02 AM, Carolina Rossini wrote:
> >
> > > - He did not mentioned specific dates for the reports, but he said
> they are almost done.
> > > - I did understand that when he was saying "governance principles"
> they would be process focus principles. So transparency, multistakeholder,
> etc would be discussed, but net neutrality and things alike would not (But
> remember, Fadi impressions have diverged in the past from those of the
> Brazilian officials). Maybe this is something that should be clarified by
> the committees. At the end the statement "crafting internet principles" is
> not that clear (to say the least)
> > > - yes, he did agree HR should be the broader framework for all this
> > > - I was in a meeting yesterday with folks of the Necessary and
> Proportionate coalition, and I specifically suggested Katitza (EFF), Jochai
> (Access) and Mathew (CDT) to submit through the site the N and P
> principles...
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:05 AM, Joana Varon <joana at varonferraz.com>
> wrote:
> > > Thanks, Carol.
> > > This part brought my attention:
> > >
> > > "Brazil wont discuss internet principles in general, but principles of
> governance: principles, networks, etc. We will just have 2 days."
> > >
> > > +
> > > The addition you guys made on Human Rights and he agreed.
> > >
> > > I wonder what is the understanding...is it that there wouldnt be space
> to debate specific  principles such as necessary and proportionate?
> > >
> > > Do we have a date for Vint's report?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 29 Jan 2014 13:56, "Carolina Rossini" <carolina.rossini at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Well, it seems he will growth on his position until this group of
> social responsability figures out their next steps, but we can clarify
> > >
> > > Chirs is also moving to DC.
> > >
> > > No bigger context to the meeting besides dialogue. They just called
> folks from civil society and think tanks in DC to meet, since Fadi was here
> to speak at STON
> > >
> > > C.
> > >
> > >
>
>
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