process Re: [bestbits] [Meeting Report]: friday meeting with fadi et all

[Avri Doria]

Hi,

I tend to beleive that anything coming out of a secret list is suspect.  It might just be the machinations of the extremists on a list who can never achieve consensus in the clear light of day and who don't know how to work nicely with others.  And when civil society starts to doing it is a beginning of the end of a group's usefulness.

In practice I, for one, will never be able to accept a secret cabal's marching orders and will never accept the validity of anything that comes out of such a conspiracy.

We don't beat them by becoming like them.  If we start acting like a police state, which starts with conspiratorial secrecy and intimidation, we are lost as a useful part of the Ig dialogue.  Really sorry to see this list already take that turn.

avri



On 31 Oct 2013, at 00:37, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:

> On 31/10/13 03:01, Carolina Rossini wrote:
>> This is the main point that we should all agree on - and it was agreed on during the Best Bits meeting:
>> 
>> "3) At the bestbits meeting, pre-IGF, there was broad support to have a more limited list, without private sector and government, for the purpose of developing strategies."
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>> Thanks Joana,
>> 
>> Perhaps it will be more difficult to strategize on an open list, or it might feel more difficult.  Reality is everything any reasonably large group discusses will leak.  Likely the only people excluded from the conversation will be other civil society, and at a time when this very small collection of CS should be looking to outreach.
>> 
>> We survived WSIS and a few years of IGF with open lists
> 
> As some may remember, we have had a closed list for some time already, but have been able to refrain from using it until now.  It's private at lists.bestbits.net and the list webpage at which you can subscribe is here:
> 
> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/private
> 
> I also would be happy to work in the open, but I also recognise that others feel differently and that there is some justification for those feelings.
> 
> Whilst your point is that "discussions will leak anyway", it's also true that people will strategise in closed cc groups anyway, if we don't provide them a closed list.
> 
> So In order to accommodate them, the use of the private list (and potentially other subject-specific closed lists) exists.
> 
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