[governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014

[Brenden Kuerbis]

Hello,

On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com> wrote:


<snip>

>
> 4. Lastly, please note that a more substantive document (including CS
> proposed agenda) coming out of Bali should be addressed to both President
> Rousseff and Chair & CEO Chehade.
>
>
Apologies for the cross-post.

I'll take no position on the IGC crafting a letter. But moving beyond
asserting civ soc's intention to shape the agenda of the Rio event and to
Mawaki's last point, the IGP has posted some ideas for a proposed agenda.
It includes specific, executable steps that can be taken to move ICANN away
from unilateral oversight:

http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/16/a-blueprint-for-the-future-oversight-of-icann/




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Brenden Kuerbis
Internet Governance Project
http://internetgovernance.org



> Thanks,
>
> Mawaki
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>
>> Anja Kovacs <anja at internetdemocracy.in> wrote:
>>
>> > I do want to
>> > make it explicit, however, that this has not changed my stance and
>> > that I remain as unconvinced of these arguments as before.
>>
>> *nod* You have made your view on this abundantly clear.
>>
>> > Let me maybe use this opportunity, though, to add two more points
>> > about the process. Many might decide to keep quiet on the consensus
>> > call for the proposed statement, but as so many people have expressed
>> > discomfort about the statement during the past two days, I think it
>> > would be quite the fallacy to think that 'consensus' has ever been
>> > reached on this even if nobody stops this initiative.
>>
>> The precise definition of “consensus” is “lack of sustained opposition”.
>> That is what it means, not more, not less. If some people are strongly
>> in favor and no-one is sufficiently strongly opposed to sustain
>> opposition (and depending on the circumstances possibly spend political
>> capital in doing so), in a consensus process that results in a decision
>> in favor.
>>
>> Expressions of discomfort are politically safe, in the sense of not
>> expending political capital, precisely because they don't prevent a
>> consensus decision from being reached.
>>
>> If “consensus” meant that every single person has to be in favor, most
>> organizations that use consensus-based decision processes would never
>> reach any decisions.
>>
>> > we are effectively working against each other here.
>>
>> Unless you mean what may possibly have been an implied demand in some of
>> the postings, that IGC should shut up because BestBits is going to
>> discuss the topic at the upcoming meeting and then take some action, I
>> strongly disagree with the view that “we are effectively working
>> against each other here”.
>>
>> In my view, the proposed letter of IGC and whoever else will co-sign it
>> does not in any way reduce the effectiveness of the planned BestBits
>> action. Quite on the contrary, in my view, without the first letter it
>> could very easily be the case that by the time of the BestBits letter it
>> could be too late and the entire action might be ineffective. I do
>> understand that you see and/or weigh the risks differently.
>>
>> > I wanted to thank Mawaki, therefore, for his efforts to find an
>> > alternative. If that could be a solution for all
>>
>> No, that is not a solution at all from my perspective, and since I've
>> already explained the reasons in detail why I think that the present
>> letter needs to be addressed to President Rousseff, I'll not repeat
>> them again.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Norbert
>>
>>
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