[bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014

Thu Oct 10 12:58:00 EDT 2013

As it happens I'm leaving for Montreal then Bali on Saturday so I/we need to
get this done very very quickly. Not more than three paragraphs are required
I would have thought. (If someone is able/willing to do up even the roughest
of drafts based on previous such letters I can then do the required editing
magic and have a draft for circulation/comment/revision by Sunday.

M

From: parminder [mailto:parminder at itforchange.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:49 AM
To: Anja Kovacs
Cc: michael gurstein; &lt,bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt,
Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will
host world event on Internet governance in 2014

Anja

It wont take more than a few hours of work... The time to send something is
now, in 3-4 days. A lot would get talked in the next few days and before
things get set down CS should put its foot in the door.... see if you can
give it some time..

parminder

On Thursday 10 October 2013 09:49 PM, Anja Kovacs wrote:

I unfortunately won't be able to work on this over the next few days, but
would be very happy to do so if people agree it can wait until Bali. As I
explained earlier, I in any case think that is a good idea, as I believe
that the letter really should include a CS agenda (or at least an outline of
such an agenda as well), and Bali will give us an opportunity to really work
on that. As Parminder also noted, the point is to influence the process now
that there still seems a chance of doing so, not just to support it.

If others feel, however, that a letter should go out immediately and would
like to work on it, I would be very happy for them to go ahead. 

Thanks and best,
Anja

On 10 October 2013 21:23, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

I'm not a great drafter of letters but I could work with someone (Anja?) to
try to get a draft out in the next few days.

N

From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
[mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of parminder
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:42 AM

To: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will
host world event on Internet governance in 2014

I agree about sending a letter of support. . 
Especially since it could possibly push things along, in more positive
directions. 

And since it is yet almost an unborn initiative, we could put in the stake
early.... Who knows in exchange for the legitimacy gained through civil
society participation someone may even give us some elevated seats at the
table... Brazil has often jumped to such partnership opportunity with civil
society in other areas, and offered genuine partnerships.

So, lets do it. Write to Brazil welcoming the initiative,  and so on. 

parminder

On Thursday 10 October 2013 08:36 PM, michael gurstein wrote:

I disagree and agree with Anja that a letter of support would be desireable.
I would be very surprised if our earlier letter of support for Dilma's
speech at the UN was not communicated to her, perhaps even directly through
one or another of our Brazilian colleagues or through those on her staff who
are monitoring these activities; and who knows, perhaps even contributed to
strengthening her (and Fadi's) resolve to take such a courageous and even
audacious step.

A letter of support could only reinforce her/their intentions in this matter
and indicate that we (whoever exactly "we" are) as a CS group are in support
of this development, intend to provide on-going support as it develops and
further intend to actively contribute to its success through ensuring that
the public interest of all, globally, are reflected in the Internet
governance structure which hopefully will emerge.

M 

From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
[mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of matthew shears
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:28 AM
To: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will
host world event on Internet governance in 2014

I agree that we need to approach this with some caution.  That said, we
should start working on a CS agenda for this summit - its good for CS to
communicate its expectations of such events early and we should start this
process in Bali.  Less convinced about the need (or desirability) of writing
letters of appreciation to all and sundry - we can always note our
appreciation in the agenda we work up.

On 10/10/2013 06:47, Anja Kovacs wrote:

I share Rafik's caution to some extent, but it is difficult not to be
enthused by this proposal. As Mike points out, it is a tremendous
opportunity for all of us to engage in this debate. Why don't we start
working on another letter to Rousseff, in which we support the idea but also
start outlining a CS agenda for the summit? What would we like to see such a
summit achieving? Maybe we can use our discussions in Bali as a basis from
which to start drafting such an agenda.

And maybe time for a word of appreciation to Chehade as well, at least from
those of us who believe that the internationalisation of ICANN would be a
good thing :)

What do others think?

Best,
Anja

On Oct 10, 2013 7:57 AM, "Jeremy Malcolm" <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:

On 10/10/13 06:33, John Curran wrote:

On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Avri Doria  <mailto:avri at acm.org> <avri at acm.org>
wrote:

Do I understand correctly: according to this the President of ICANN has just
agreed with the need for external oversight of ICANN, and unnamed other
organizations, involved in governance/management of the Internet, just as
long as it is multistakeholder?

It appears to be a significant effort to address Internet Governance 
challenges, including acceleration of the globalization of ICANN towards 
an environment in which all stakeholders (including all governments) can 
participate on an equal footing...

It puts civil society to shame in how timid we, at large, have been in
proposing similar advances on the status quo.  (I have not made much of a
secret of the fact that I was disappointed in the number of endorsements
that the Best Bits statement on enhanced cooperation
(http://bestbits.net/ec) received, though in part I accept that this was
because the statement was simply too long.)

This has also, in one stroke, determined the IGF's future.  Of course the
writing has been on the wall for the IGF for a while now, but it has now
officially become irrelevant in terms of its larger role in
multi-stakeholder Internet governance as originally anticipated in the Tunis
Agenda.  Of course it will continue to have a role as a discussion forum,
but the momentum for it to fulfil a  larger role has moved elsewhere.

It also neutralises the effect of the old guard of the technical community
(ISOC mainly) at the Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation.  Whilst they can
still oppose meaningful implementation of enhanced cooperation reforms, this
opposition is now utterly token and ineffectual.  With Brazil (and ICANN!)
having lost patience and forging ahead regardless, this leaves anyone
arguing against reforms at the WGEC looking silly and irrelevant. 

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