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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As it happens I'm leaving for Montreal then Bali on Saturday so I/we need to get this done very very quickly… Not more than three paragraphs are required I would have thought. (If someone is able/willing to do up even the roughest of drafts based on previous such letters I can then do the required editing magic and have a draft for circulation/comment/revision by Sunday…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> parminder [mailto:parminder@itforchange.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:49 AM<br><b>To:</b> Anja Kovacs<br><b>Cc:</b> michael gurstein; <,bestbits@lists.bestbits.net>,<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Anja<br><br>It wont take more than a few hours of work... The time to send something is now, in 3-4 days. A lot would get talked in the next few days and before things get set down CS should put its foot in the door.... see if you can give it some time..<br><br>parminder</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thursday 10 October 2013 09:49 PM, Anja Kovacs wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I unfortunately won't be able to work on this over the next few days, but would be very happy to do so if people agree it can wait until Bali. As I explained earlier, I in any case think that is a good idea, as I believe that the letter really should include a CS agenda (or at least an outline of such an agenda as well), and Bali will give us an opportunity to really work on that. As Parminder also noted, the point is to influence the process now that there still seems a chance of doing so, not just to support it.<br><br>If others feel, however, that a letter should go out immediately and would like to work on it, I would be very happy for them to go ahead. <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks and best,<br>Anja<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 10 October 2013 21:23, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I'm not a great drafter of letters but I could work with someone (Anja?) to try to get a draft out in the next few days.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>N</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:42 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I agree about sending a letter of support. . <br>Especially since it could possibly push things along, in more positive directions. <br><br>And since it is yet almost an unborn initiative, we could put in the stake early.... Who knows in exchange for the legitimacy gained through civil society participation someone may even give us some elevated seats at the table... Brazil has often jumped to such partnership opportunity with civil society in other areas, and offered genuine partnerships.<br><br>So, lets do it. Write to Brazil welcoming the initiative, and so on. <br><br>parminder</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thursday 10 October 2013 08:36 PM, michael gurstein wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I disagree and agree with Anja that a letter of support would be desireable. I would be very surprised if our earlier letter of support for Dilma's speech at the UN was not communicated to her, perhaps even directly through one or another of our Brazilian colleagues or through those on her staff who are monitoring these activities; and who knows, perhaps even contributed to strengthening her (and Fadi's) resolve to take such a courageous and even audacious step.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A letter of support could only reinforce her/their intentions in this matter and indicate that we (whoever exactly "we" are) as a CS group are in support of this development, intend to provide on-going support as it develops and further intend to actively contribute to its success through ensuring that the public interest of all, globally, are reflected in the Internet governance structure which hopefully will emerge.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a> [<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>matthew shears<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I agree that we need to approach this with some caution. That said, we should start working on a CS agenda for this summit - its good for CS to communicate its expectations of such events early and we should start this process in Bali. Less convinced about the need (or desirability) of writing letters of appreciation to all and sundry - we can always note our appreciation in the agenda we work up.<br> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 10/10/2013 06:47, Anja Kovacs wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p>I share Rafik's caution to some extent, but it is difficult not to be enthused by this proposal. As Mike points out, it is a tremendous opportunity for all of us to engage in this debate. Why don't we start working on another letter to Rousseff, in which we support the idea but also start outlining a CS agenda for the summit? What would we like to see such a summit achieving? Maybe we can use our discussions in Bali as a basis from which to start drafting such an agenda.<o:p></o:p></p><p>And maybe time for a word of appreciation to Chehade as well, at least from those of us who believe that the internationalisation of ICANN would be a good thing :)<o:p></o:p></p><p>What do others think?<o:p></o:p></p><p>Best,<br>Anja<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Oct 10, 2013 7:57 AM, "Jeremy Malcolm" <<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 10/10/13 06:33, John Curran wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Avri Doria <a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank"><avri@acm.org></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Do I understand correctly: according to this the President of ICANN has just agreed with the need for external oversight of ICANN, and unnamed other organizations, involved in governance/management of the Internet, just as long as it is multistakeholder?<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre>It appears to be a significant effort to address Internet Governance <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>challenges, including acceleration of the globalization of ICANN towards <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>an environment in which all stakeholders (including all governments) can <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>participate on an equal footing...<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>It puts civil society to shame in how timid we, at large, have been in proposing similar advances on the status quo. (I have not made much of a secret of the fact that I was disappointed in the number of endorsements that the Best Bits statement on enhanced cooperation (<a href="http://bestbits.net/ec" target="_blank">http://bestbits.net/ec</a>) received, though in part I accept that this was because the statement was simply too long.)<br><br>This has also, in one stroke, determined the IGF's future. Of course the writing has been on the wall for the IGF for a while now, but it has now officially become irrelevant in terms of its larger role in multi-stakeholder Internet governance as originally anticipated in the Tunis Agenda. Of course it will continue to have a role as a discussion forum, but the momentum for it to fulfil a larger role has moved elsewhere.<br><br>It also neutralises the effect of the old guard of the technical community (ISOC mainly) at the Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation. Whilst they can still oppose meaningful implementation of enhanced cooperation reforms, this opposition is now utterly token and ineffectual. With Brazil (and ICANN!) having lost patience and forging ahead regardless, this leaves anyone arguing against reforms at the WGEC looking silly and irrelevant. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Dr Jeremy Malcolm<br>Senior Policy Officer<br>Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt'><br>Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East<br>Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia<br>Tel: +60 3 7726 1599</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Explore our new Resource Zone - the global consumer movement knowledge hub | <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/news-and-media/resource-zone" target="_blank">http://www.consumersinternational.org/news-and-media/resource-zone</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>@Consumers_Int | <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org" target="_blank">www.consumersinternational.org</a> | <a href="http://www.facebook.com/consumersinternational" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/consumersinternational</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#999999'>Read our <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/email-confidentiality" target="_blank">email confidentiality notice</a>. 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