[bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval - URGENT

Wed Nov 20 10:53:08 EST 2013

Two years ago, I published "The MAG: To be on not to be" on
http://nnennaorg.blogspot.com/2012/02/mag-to-be-or-not-to-be.html I gave
reasons for saying "No" all the time.   Having read some of the thoughts
expresssed on this thread, it is unfortunate that the tendancy is still
there that being on the  MAG is a position, in stead of a responsibility.
That, for me, is really worrying.

I  have always had a "Thanks, but no, thanks" attitude. This time, however,
you will find my name on IGC, Best Bits and  even Diplo.

I only made a nomination: that is on Bestt Bits. Those on Diplo have my
blog post to refer to. I was nominated by someone in the IGC.

For some of us who might not know, referring BB-endorsed nominees to the
IGC NomCom will not equal a collective CS- MAG nomination. Because at the
moment, other CS entities are doing nominations. And some of these are also
in BB and IGC.

While Jeremy is airbound and may not be able to reply to many threads, I
will say that the spirit of his email was:
"Here are the nominations that people have made that were submitted to the
BB Steering" It is not in any way over riding the BB list. Since that mail,
Imran Shah has self nominated (So we dont forget).

I think that we have said and it is still my understanding , that BB is an
action platform. So it amuses me to see emails saying "we cannot do" xyz.
We are here to do things!

My 2 cents/

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:14 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks for this Anriette and one observation to make about the list and
> information that you have provided…
>
>
>
> One obvious impact of the “black box” that is the MAG selection procedure
> is that—since the Business and Technical groupings are highly skewed to
> both Developed Country and Male representation, and since they are in
> effect unmovable, that means that in order for the UN to maintain gender
> and regional parity there needs to be a highly skewed parallel selection
> from the remaining stakeholder group i.e. CS, with the effect as we, see
> that the CS representation is highly skewed towards females 11 out of 16
> and towards Developing countries and countries in transition, 9/10 out of
> 16 (depending how you count).
>
>
>
> Nothing in principle wrong with that but it does reduce the chances of us
> pale males being selected to rather close to zero (and perhaps explains why
> Jeremy and myself (nominated by the IGC 3 times) have been singularly
> unsuccessful).
>
>
>
> Perhaps that is no loss, but then again perhaps it is.
>
>
>
> M
>
>
>
> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:
> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Anriette Esterhuysen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:27 AM
> *To:* Joana Varon; Marianne Franklin
> *Cc:* &lt,bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt,
>
> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval -
> URGENT
>
>
>
> Dear all
>
>
> It is one of those weeks for me. Sorry.. I have not been able to follow
> this adequately. We are revising proposals, logframes and we are having an
> APC council meeting.
> I just wanted to add one piece of clarification.  The current CS MAG
> members have all served for under 2 years, with one exception.  For reasons
> that I still don't fully understand, the UN over-rotated CS members on the
> MAG. This had a very dramatic impact on CS's influence in the MAG.
>
> Other stakeholder groups have not been as dramatically rotated, and there
> are some individuals that have stayed on since the beginning. The reason
> this happens I can share because I demanded to know and managed to get
> clarification from New York. The reason is that tech and business
> re-nominate people every year, and they give the secretariat a 'full slate'
> that includes names to be retired, and names to be added.
>
> Coming back to CS. Here is the current listing of people and the year they
> joined. As you can see, they joined in May 2012 or later, with one
> exception. This does not mean we don't need rotation. There are some people
> that have not worked hard enough for reasons of being too busy, unableI to
> come to meetings (funding is not always available), or just lacking
> confidence. MAG work is not easy. In my view that means they should not
> remain. But there are some people on this list who have worked very hard,
> and who have managed to push through some difficult and challenging debates
> and I do think that it is important to keep them.
>
> *Ms. Esterhuysen, Anriette*<http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/951-mag-bio-esterhuysen>:
> anriette at apc.org 2012
> *Mr. Aizu, Izumi*<http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/942-mag-bio-aizu>*:
> *iza at anr.org        2012
> *Mr. Guo, Liang*<http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/954-mag-bio-guo>:
> guoliang at gmail.com 2012
> *Ms. Mangal, Anju*<http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/957-mag-bio-mangal>:
> anjum at spc.int 2012
> *Ms. Cretu, Veronica: *veronica at cretu.md<http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/947-mag-bio-cretu>
> 2012
> *Ms. Kelly, Sanja*<http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/955-mag-bio-kelly>:
> kelly at freedomhouse.org 2012
> *Ms. Morenets, Yuliya*<http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/959-mag-bio-morenets->:
> contact at againstcybercrime.eu 2012
> *Mr. Radunovic, Vladimir: *vladar at diplomacy.edu
> <http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/966-mag-bio-radunoic>
>  2012
> Ms. Zachariah, Desiree: dazachariah at gmail.com
> <Ms.Zachariah,Desiree:dazachariah at gmail.com>2013
> *Mr. Drake, William*<http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/949-mag-bio-drake->:
> william.drake at uzh.ch 2012
> *Ms. Fell, Lucinda*<http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/952-mag-bio-fell>:
> lucinda at childnet.com 2012
> *Ms. Cambronero, Fátima: *fatimacambronero at gmail.com<http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/mag/45-mag-membership/1294-ms-fatima-cambronero>2013
> <http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/mag/45-mag-membership/1294-ms-fatima-cambronero>
> *Ms. Nalwoga, Lillian*<http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/960-mag-bio-nalwoga>
> lnalwoga at gmail.com 2012
> *Ms. Okite, Judith*<http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/114-preparatory-process/961-mag-bio-okite>
> judyokite at gmail.com 2012
> *Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai* <http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/index.php/qusai>
> qshatti at gmail.com 2006
> Subi Chaturvedi: 2013
>
> Anriette - writing in my capacity as an individual who has served on the
> MAG since May 2012 and who would like to remain for another term.
>
> On 20/11/2013 16:09, Joana Varon wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Please, allow me to raise a suggestion of the broader procedure:
>
>
>
> I see this issue is getting complicated and sensitive and, particularly
> reading Mawaki's email, I sense that there is some misunderstandings that
> are particularly coming up from the fact that part of the people in the
> list didn't attend BB meeting in Bali and deserve some clarification about
> what happened there.
>
> I know that everybody is really busy as since Bali the pace of events is
> accelerated (and on my case particularly overwhelmed with Brazil meeting
> issues), but I might be really useful if the steering make a joined effort
> to manage to report back from the meeting, particularly about the session
> on BB structure, so whoever that reads the wiki procedures will also have
> this background info.
>
>
> In the main while, let's try to trust each other a little bit... I'm
> pretty totally comfortable to reaffirm that there is a lot of good will
> within the steering, sometime we stumble in procedures, true, we are all
> testing methods, its part of the task, but are also truly open for
> suggestions and to implement changes. So, please, be sure concerns raised
> here are being heard. Let's just not block important things to get done.
>
> Therefore, I would suggest that we keep this thread to at least have the
> list of people that BB would like to suggest, having in mind the issue
> raised about indicating or not people that are already there. Deciding if
> it is going through IGC or not would be the next (complicated) step.
>
> all the best
>
> joana
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Marianne Franklin <
> m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Dear all
>
> Could I suggest that all the names of anyone going up for the MAG from
> both current slates (i.e. run by the IGC and being collated through Best
> Bits) be posted so that we can inform other networks of who is standing.
>
> Whether they are looking to stand as an IGC nominee or Best Bits nominee
> can be noted.
>
> Ongoing, and important discussions about the Best Bits governance
> structure need to continue, and as a member of the interim BB Steering as
> well as co-Chair of the IRP Coalition I support the need for clarity here
> too. But right at this moment as the list and candidates form, it would be
> good for anyone else considering standing for the MAG to know who is
> currently doing so. If a person is standing in two places could they
> nominate which one they are opting for too to save space and time?
>
> Also, I join those affirmations of the work done by all standing MAG
> members, in this case from civil society, who are continuing. Thank you all
> for the hard and often unrewarded and unrelenting work on this group.
>
> best
> MF
>
>
>
> On 20/11/2013 10:17, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>
> (Replying from phone.) I had suggested off this list that we omit any
> mention of the incumbent MAG members and limit our candidates to those who
> will fill slots that will be open anyway. If we clarify that we support the
> continuation of the candidates who are eligible for continuing, and drop
> the specific candidates mentioned, this may help?
>
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> On 20 Nov 2013, at 6:10 pm, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm> wrote:
>
> Hello Colleagues,
>
> Good day, I think its important for continuity especially as in my
> opinion  the current CS MAG members are doing a great work and have really
> put in a lot of time to this  , I concur will Bill and strongly belief in
> the overall continuity of all current CS MAG members
>
> Regards
>
> Poncelet
>
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>
>
> On 20 November 2013 10:05, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> Just woke up and am rushing to a meeting but would appreciate
> clarification.  When was the call for nominations, when was the deadline
> for submission, and when was the period in which list members then
> expressed views either way before you decided to go ahead?  Some of us are
> a bit busy in Buenos Aires dealing with Brazil meeting and such and are
> awash in a tidal wave of communications and meetings, so I at least missed
> all this.
>
>
>
> By selecting these six names, including just two current CS MAG members,
> do you wish to convey to the Secretariat and DESA that you do not support
> the continued participation of all the current CS MAG members not listed,
> irrespective of the time and work they’ve put in, how long they’ve been
> been on it, etc?
>
>
>
> It seems unduly abrupt, so please note my objection as well.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Bill
>
> On Nov 20, 2013, at 4:15 AM, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
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>
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> On 20 Nov 2013, at 1:25 pm, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> As said before, I do not agree to steering committee choosing MAG
> nominees, or other kinds of reps, or next steering committee's membership,
> and so on.... These are serious. important issues which should have a
> clear, transparent, accountable and thus legitimate process around it. And
> I dont see that in place.
>
>
>
> We have not chosen the MAG nominees, we have simply collected the
> nominations, suggested criteria that could be used to evaluate them, and
> forwarded them back to the main list with a recommendation.  Although your
> objection was noted, most others were comfortable with this process and
> since we do not have voting or membership as such, we decided to go ahead.
>  If appropriate your objection could probably be noted in some way in the
> letter that goes to the MAG.
>
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