[IRPCoalition] [bestbits] How to target companies, and other follow-up ideas [WAS: Re: Delivery of international civil society letter to Congress]

Graciela Selaimen graciela at nupef.org.br
Fri Jun 14 07:29:29 EDT 2013


Totally agree.

best,
Graciela

Em 6/14/13 7:37 AM, Ginger Paque escreveu:
> I agree strongly with Marianne here. Yes, some of us receive multiple 
> copies: that is our choice. I would rather see the discussion on 
> several lists and reach a wider group, than have it closed off because 
> we might choose not to subscribe to yet another list. If anyone does 
> not know how to create filters and folders, I know there are people on 
> the lists who are willing to help.
>
> Hmm. Maybe the welcome email to discussion lists could include tips on 
> filtering messages? Does a message or tips sheet already exist? If 
> not, I may work on one this weekend. Any thoughts on that?
>
> Thanks to everyone for their work on this important discussion. I am 
> sure I am not the only one who reads with avid interest but does not 
> often intervene. Please do not underestimate the importance these 
> discussions have for 'readers'.
>
> Have a great weekend, Ginger
>
> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
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> On 14 June 2013 04:01, Marianne Franklin <m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk 
> <mailto:m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Dear all
>
>     This issue is important, has generated a lot of energy and is
>     moving some important mobilization forward. These discussions are
>     perhaps not for everybody and having them come twice/three times
>     can require a lot of filing and deleting. But this is not
>     difficult. People I am sure can exercise their own delete/file
>     discretion.
>
>     No one list owns the discussion, this belongs to us all in one way
>     or another. I move we keep the threads open to all and so
>     accessible to all lists at the same time. Best Bits folk are
>     leading the drafting and IRP folk are contributing and many many
>     others are listening and watching from all corners of all lists.
>     Why on earth would we want to confine this conversation?!
>
>     Thanks
>
>     MF
>
>     *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>     <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>     [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>     <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>] *On Behalf Of *Kevin
>     Bankston
>     *Sent:* 13 June 2013 20:04
>     *To:* Anne Jellema
>     *Cc:* Anriette Esterhuysen; webwewant at googlegroups.com
>     <mailto:webwewant at googlegroups.com>; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>     <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>; IRP
>     *Subject:* Re: [IRPCoalition] [bestbits] How to target companies,
>     and other follow-up ideas [WAS: Re: Delivery of international
>     civil society letter to Congress]
>
>     In the interest of moving forward in a concerted but not confused
>     way, I think it might be worthwhile starting a separate list
>     focused on solely this issue such that relevant and interested
>     people from the three coalitions  can participate and then report
>     back to their respective coalitions as necessary. The crossposting
>     is getting very difficult and confusing and somewhat unnecessary
>     especially considering how many of us are in all three groups.
>      What do people think?
>
>     Sent via mobile
>
>
>     On Jun 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Anne Jellema <anne at webfoundation.org
>     <mailto:anne at webfoundation.org>> wrote:
>
>         Picking up on the earlier comments from Parminder et al re
>         corporate culpability: I support these points. I think that
>         beyond this letter, we should consider a separate
>         consumer-driven action that directly targets one or more of
>         the companies that have given into the NSA. Such an action
>         could be hugely successful, especially if we can keep the ask
>         simple so that ordinary facebook, skype (microsoft) or google
>         users can easily understand it.
>
>         In general, seems to me that with both the HRC statement and
>         this letter under our belts (and huge congrats and thanks to
>         everyone for getting that done so fast], we need to start
>         mapping a slightly longer term game plan for the next few
>         months. There is lobby work to be done on getting the HRC to
>         act on our demands to them; we should continue to offer global
>         solidarity to the stopwatching.us <http://stopwatching.us>
>         campaign where it can be effective in increasing that
>         campaign's chances of success domestically; there may be other
>         domestic campaigns emerging in other countries affected by
>         govt complicity with US surveillance that we should support;
>         and as mentioned above we might want to plan a consumer-facing
>         action at some point in the near future, or work together to
>         take on other targets that seem strategic.
>
>         Who will be in Tunis to strategise this weekend?
>
>         Cheers
>
>         Anne
>
>         On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen
>         <anriette at apc.org <mailto:anriette at apc.org>> wrote:
>
>         Dear all
>
>         Just thinking through the timeline... as Jeremy won't be
>         online for a
>         while longer. If we want to deliver on Monday afternoon
>         Washington DC
>         time, we would still want to give people enough time to sign
>         on... so we
>         would still want to have the final ready by around 12h00
>         UTC/GMT Friday
>         so that we can circulate it for signatures on Friday in and Monday
>         morning. That should allow enough time for people in all time
>         zones to
>         have a chance to look at the letter, circulate and decide on
>         signing on.
>
>         Michael, why don't you try to do a clean version later today
>         (as you
>         have offered) so that Jeremy has something to work with when
>         he starts
>         his day tomorrow?
>
>         Anriette
>
>
>
>         On 13/06/2013 17:19, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>         > Dear all (copying WebWeWant and IRP to keep everyone in the
>         same loop)
>         >
>         > I had quick consult with Deborah Brown and while there are
>         pros and cons
>         > to delaying, it seems that strong sign-on from a large number of
>         > organisations is very important. So I would also be happy
>         for us go for
>         > Monday unless there are strong suggestions to the contrary.
>         It also
>         > seems as if the exact delivery channel has not yet been
>         figured out yet.
>         > I think it would make sense for someone based in Washington
>         DC to do the
>         > handing over personally on our behalf. That would be
>         FreePress, CDT,
>         > HRW... correct?
>         >
>         > For those who might not have it handy, the letter is being
>         developed here:
>         >
>         > http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/your_name_here
>         >
>         > Discussion of the contents is taking place on
>         bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>         >
>         > I suggest we let Jeremy Malcolm decide when and how to deal
>         with the
>         > final tidying up. Jeremy, you have lots of volunteers to
>         help with that.
>         >
>         > Best
>         >
>         > Anriette
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > On 13/06/2013 16:16, Carolina Rossini wrote:
>         >> I like parminder suggestions on non-US citizens.
>         >>
>         >> I also agree with suggestion on delivering this on Monday.
>         >>
>         >> Who could take a final look for style and grammar? Much of
>         it was lost
>         >> during the editing process. I can try, but it would be
>         better if a native
>         >> english speaker take the lead on the final round.
>         >>
>         >> Carol
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:08 AM, parminder
>         > <parminder at itforchange.net
>         <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>>wrote:
>         >>> The statement has turned out well. However, I remain
>         concerned about the
>         >>> fact that the issue of non citizens related content
>         surveillance has
>         > not at
>         >>> all been addressed by the US authorities. They havent
>         bothered to say a
>         >>> word on it (not that it is easily defensible).  I would
>         like the group to
>         >>> consider adding the following paragraph somewhere......
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>> "We are extremely disappointed that, in all the post
>         'disclosures'
>         >>> statements, US authorities have only insisted that there
>         was no access
>         >>> obtained to content related to *US citizens*, and just their
>         >>> communication meta-data was collected. There has not been
>          a word on the
>         >>> issue of large-scale access to content related to non US
>         citizens,
>         > which is
>         >>> a violation of their human rights. The focussing of the US
>         authorities on
>         >>> the difference between treatment of US citizens and
>         non-citizens on an
>         >>> issue which essentially relates to violation of human
>         rights is very
>         >>> problematic. Human rights are universal, and every
>         government must
>         > refrain
>         >>> from violating them for all people, and not merely for its
>         citizens. The
>         >>> current and future US law and practices on this matter
>         should take
>         > note of
>         >>> this. "
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>> I  still have issues with the role of the involved
>         companies, which I
>         >>> will address in a separate email. I am fine though to
>         address them
>         >>> separately, through a possible second statement.
>         >>>
>         >>> Meanwhile the second sentence in the following somehow
>         looks not quite
>         >>> right.
>         >>>
>         >>>  "The introduction of untargeted surveillance mechanisms
>         at the heart of
>         >>> global digital communications severely threatens human
>         rights in the
>         >>> digital age. *These new forms of decentralized power
>         reflect fundamental
>         >>> shifts in the structure of information systems in modern
>         > societies**.*[3] and
>         >>> aAny step in this direction needs to be scrutinized
>         through ample, deep
>         >>> and transparent debate. Interference with the human rights
>         of citizens by
>         >>> any government, their own or foreign, is unacceptable."
>         >>>
>         >>> What is being referred to as a 'form of decentralised
>         power'? From the
>         >>> reference I take it, it is about 'arab spring' kind of
>         people's
>         > power, but
>         >>> that doesnt look clear from the way the sentence is wedged
>         between the
>         >>> other two sentences...
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>> parminder
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>>  On Thursday 13 June 2013 05:11 PM, Anja Kovacs wrote:
>         >>>
>         >>> Also, in response to Parminder's questions: while we had
>         agreed from the
>         >>> beginning that the focus of this particular statement
>         would be the US
>         >>> Congress, I feel (and I just reread it to check) that it
>         does foreground
>         >>> the concerns of non-US citizens/resident (as it was meant
>         to do in my
>         >>> reading as well). Parminder, do you really feel that
>         doesn't come out at
>         >>> all? In that case, we do have some more work to do....
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>> On 13 June 2013 16:28, Anja Kovacs
>         <anja at internetdemocracy.in <mailto:anja at internetdemocracy.in>>
>         wrote:
>         >>>
>         >>>>  Anriette, is there a strong reason why you feel we
>         should release this
>         >>>> tomorrow already? My inclination would be to agree with
>         Nnenna and
>         > others
>         >>>> and to wait until Monday, but would be keen to know why
>         you feel
>         > tomorrow
>         >>>> is a better idea.
>         >>>>
>         >>>>
>         >>>>
>         >>>> On 13 June 2013 14:37, Nnenna Nwakanma
>         <nnenna75 at gmail.com <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         >>>>
>         >>>>>  Hi people
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>>  I will say  submit on Monday.  When you kick off the
>         week with it, you
>         >>>>> will have ample time to rave up media attention on it..
>         >>>>>  I am hoping Mandela does not give up the fight..
>         because that will
>         >>>>> overshadow any other Internet news...
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>>  I am booked for the very first Africa Internet Summit
>         in Lusaka next
>         >>>>> week.  I do hope to be able to draw attention to the
>         statement, as
>         > well as
>         >>>>> some that have been made by Best Bits.
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>>  Best of the day..
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>>  Nnenna
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen
>         > <anriette at apc.org <mailto:anriette at apc.org>>wrote:
>         >> Greetings everyone
>         >>
>         >> Content is coming along well.
>         >>
>         >> Jeremy, in response to your question, what about giving
>         people until
>         >> 21h00 GMT/UTC today, Thursday. Then you can close the text,
>         finalise it,
>         >> and release for sign-ons and give people until 16h00
>         GMT/UTC Friday for
>         >> sign ons and then we can send it off before the end of the
>         business day
>         >> in Washington DC (will be 12h00 in DC).
>         >>
>         >> That will accommodate Parminder's request, but still enable
>         us to get
>         >> enough sign ons and get the letter to Washington DC on
>         Friday. Only
>         >> region that will have a shortish period for sign ons will
>         be the
>         >> Americas.
>         >>
>         >> Will this work?
>         >>
>         >> Anriette
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> On 13/06/2013 08:13, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>>>>>
>         >>>>
>         >>>>  --
>         >>>> Dr. Anja Kovacs
>         >>>> The Internet Democracy Project
>         >>>>
>         >>>> +91 9899028053 <tel:%2B91%209899028053> | @anjakovacs
>         >>>> www.internetdemocracy.in <http://www.internetdemocracy.in>
>         >>>>
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>> --
>         >>> Dr. Anja Kovacs
>         >>> The Internet Democracy Project
>         >>>
>         >>> +91 9899028053 <tel:%2B91%209899028053> | @anjakovacs
>         >>> www.internetdemocracy.in <http://www.internetdemocracy.in>
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>
>
>         --
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