[bestbits] Nothing to do with internet governance or NMI WAS Re: [governance] Whether to participate in NETmundial Initiative - RFC

[McTim]

Hi Tapani,


On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org
> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 10:09:26AM +0100, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The
> Global Journal (jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net) wrote:
>
> [addressing McTim]
>
> > I agree with you that Democracy is an important issue. I keep
> > thinking that your repeated attacks against democracy, are totally
> > dangerous and toxic.
>
> Curiously, I never thought McTim was attacking democracy.
>


That is correct.  I have never attacked democracy or made any statements
suggesting that I was opposed to democracy.



> Rather the opposite: when he says something was a result
> of democracy, it isn't blaming democracy but implying
> that said something must be good, by definition, because it
> was a result of democracy.
>

I was merely saying that the current international tax regime which allows
entities to avoid taxes is a result of laws passed in Ireland, Holland and
elsewhere.

I wasn't saying that these laws (or non-existent of laws that prevent such
behavior) were good, simply that the current situation exists due to laws
and regulations that allow it.

This was labelled, mistakenly as un-democratic, insane and dangerous.  This
behavior is contrary to Charter of IGC and I would hope that the
co-ordinators note this.

I am not a big fan of tax avoidance (which is legal) nor am I a fan of tax
evasion (which is illegal).

Here is a lesson on the two:
http://www.translegal.com/legal-english-lessons/tax-avoidance

Despite some far-fetched and completely erroneous leap of "logic" on JC's
part, I have never advocated any non-democratic form of governance of a
nation state.  It is illogical to think that a criticism of an outcome of
democratic policy making always suggests that switching to a non-democratic
system of governance must be the end point of such criticism.

if it was logical, then JCs criticism of corruption is anti-democratic and
he is advocating a change from democracy to something else.  This is an
absurd train of thought that a rational person would never follow.

In addition, JC suggests up-thread that *"Democracy bashing* is condemnable
as well".  I do not believe this is the case according to the IGC Charter.
If someone on list is not a democrat and feels that another system of
governance is better suited than democracy, then he or she should have the
right to express that opinion on this list without being attacked or
condemned.  In other words, if I was an anarchist or a believer in the
superiority of theocracy, then that is an opinion that I should be free to
express.

Here is what our charter says about messages on list.  it doesn't say that
only supporters of "democracy" are allowed to post:

The messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including:
 refrain from personal attacks, insults or slander
 refrain from offensive or discriminating language
 refrain from threats , including threats of legal action, on list or off
list
 refrain from excessive and repetitive posting

Inappropriate postings to the IGC list include
 Unsolicited bulk e-mail
 Discussion of subjects unrelated to the IGC mission and objectives
 Unprofessional or discourteous commentary, regardless of the general
subject
 Sequences of messages by one or more participants that cause an IGC list
to become a hostile environment
I count at least 6 of these that JC has violated in this thread.  I ask for
action by the co-co's.


-- 
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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