<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra">Hi Tapani,<br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Tapani Tarvainen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tapani.tarvainen@effi.org" target="_blank">tapani.tarvainen@effi.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 10:09:26AM +0100, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal (<a href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net">jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net</a>) wrote:<br>
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[addressing McTim]<br>
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> I agree with you that Democracy is an important issue. I keep<br>
> thinking that your repeated attacks against democracy, are totally<br>
> dangerous and toxic.<br>
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</span>Curiously, I never thought McTim was attacking democracy.<br></blockquote><div><br><br></div><div>That is correct. I have never attacked democracy or made any statements suggesting that I was opposed to democracy.<br></div><div><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Rather the opposite: when he says something was a result<br>
of democracy, it isn't blaming democracy but implying<br>
that said something must be good, by definition, because it<br>
was a result of democracy.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I was merely saying that the current international tax regime which allows entities to avoid taxes is a result of laws passed in Ireland, Holland and elsewhere.<br><br></div><div>I wasn't saying that these laws (or non-existent of laws that prevent such behavior) were good, simply that the current situation exists due to laws and regulations that allow it.<br><br></div><div>This was labelled, mistakenly as un-democratic, insane and dangerous. This behavior is contrary to Charter of IGC and I would hope that the co-ordinators note this.<br><br></div><div>I am not a big fan of tax avoidance (which is legal) nor am I a fan of tax evasion (which is illegal).<br><br></div><div>Here is a lesson on the two: <a href="http://www.translegal.com/legal-english-lessons/tax-avoidance">http://www.translegal.com/legal-english-lessons/tax-avoidance</a><br><br></div><div>Despite some far-fetched and completely erroneous leap of "logic" on JC's part, I have never advocated any non-democratic form of governance of a nation state. It is illogical to think that a criticism of an outcome of democratic policy making always suggests that switching to a non-democratic system of governance must be the end point of such criticism. <br><br>if it was logical, then JCs criticism of corruption is anti-democratic and he is advocating a change from democracy to something else. This is an absurd train of thought that a rational person would never follow. <br><br></div><div>In addition, JC suggests up-thread that <i>"Democracy bashing</i> is condemnable as well". I do not believe this is the case according to the IGC Charter. If someone on list is not a democrat and feels that another system of governance is better suited than democracy, then he or she should have the right to express that opinion on this list without being attacked or condemned. In other words, if I was an anarchist or a believer in the superiority of theocracy, then that is an opinion that I should be free to express.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Here is what our charter says about messages on list. it doesn't say that only supporters of "democracy" are allowed to post:<br></div><div><br><p>The messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including:<br>
refrain from personal attacks, insults or slander<br>
refrain from offensive or discriminating language<br>
refrain from threats , including threats of legal action, on list or off list<br>
refrain from excessive and repetitive posting</p>
<p>Inappropriate postings to the IGC list include<br>
Unsolicited bulk e-mail<br>
Discussion of subjects unrelated to the IGC mission and objectives<br>
Unprofessional or discourteous commentary, regardless of the general subject<br>
Sequences of messages by one or more participants that cause an IGC list to become a hostile environment</p>I count at least 6 of these that JC has violated in this thread. I ask for action by the co-co's.<br></div><div><br clear="all"></div></div><br>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature">Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel</div>
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