[governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects

Wed Jul 17 10:09:45 EDT 2019

Dear all,

Can we agree on the proposed agenda for the upcoming call ?

*CS Meeting Agenda *

1. Onboarding new IGC Members (Bestbits members who are opting into IGC)
2. Charter review discussion
3. IGC New Website
4. IGC Co-Coordinator Elections
5. IGF 2019 Day Zero event
6. AOB

Is there any other subject our members wish to add ?

Best,
Bruna Santos

Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 10:32, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <
governance at lists.riseup.net> a écrit :

> I forgot to add failing to deliver the website on time.
>
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:22 pm Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, <
> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Response is inline;
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:15 pm Arsène Tungali, <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It is noted that you don't want to apologize and it is your right.
>>> This is noted.
>>>
>>> And you don't have to call people "incompetent" with no
>>> details/explanation to substantiate your claim. On what basis are you
>>> calling coordinators incompetent?
>>>
>>
>> 1)Pending elections and not calling for nominees from November last year
>> for January's elections.
>>
>> 2)Not driving a call for strategic engagement and waiting for the wind to
>> blow the IGC in any direction. I will use Milton's term for "rudderless".
>>
>> I will underscore that the criticism is on the inaction and not of people
>> personally. This is not a personal attack but addressing a key leadership
>> issue.
>>
>>>
>>> It is okay to say now that Arsene is term ended since January because
>>> there are activities on the list, but it was obvious that no one was
>>> interested in elections at some point.
>>
>>
>> Again, this is rubbish. A call for elections is void of people's lack of
>> interest. There was no call put out last November, 2018.
>>
>> And you should thank those who
>>> have helped revive the discussion because those here who recall the
>>> history, we have gone through a lot of issues and if elections were
>>> called at that time, close to no one would have nominated themselves
>>> for that.
>>>
>>
>> The IGC was never dead. Its members are movers and shakers globally, it
>> is the leadership that needs revival.
>>
>>>
>>> Only God knows how many times I called for help here when everything
>>> was almost dying, I think at some point this community will have to
>>> thank me for my service :)
>>
>>
>> Again hogwash. You were always putting emails notifying of MAG activities
>> not engaged in core leadership. Whilst I thank you for your service, you do
>> us all a tremendous disservice when you do not take responsibility for not
>> calling elections. This is not acceptable. Leaders must be able to take
>> responsibility.
>>
>> But this is not the point here as I don't
>>> always seek for praises whenever I am doing some work. I am thankful
>>> to Bruna for her support since the day she joined and everyone else
>>> who provided help.
>>>
>>> The future looks great now, let's work to make things happen!
>>
>> The future is always great! Yes we should work together but it also means
>> having Frank and open and honest conversations so we can move forward.
>>
>> I look
>>> forward to having BestBits members join and be allowed time to have
>>> voting rights, as per the charter.
>>>
>>> Please digest what Parminder raised on this matter and scores more.
>>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>> Arsene
>>>
>>>
>>> 2019-07-17 14:20 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>:
>>> > I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators.
>>> > The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by
>>> > those that participate in last held elections.
>>> > Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by
>>> virtue
>>> > of Charter.
>>> >
>>> > Get on with the elections!
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, <
>>> > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> What a load of rubbish!
>>> >> The elections need to take place asap.
>>> >> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Get it together!
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Dear all,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone
>>> is
>>> >>> ok
>>> >>> with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is
>>> >>> involved
>>> >>> in such a group if she can be.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much
>>> appreciated.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Best
>>> >>> Sheetal.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of
>>> an
>>> >>>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim
>>> >>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that
>>> >>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we
>>> >>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big
>>> >>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes
>>> >>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should
>>> be
>>> >>>> taken by Berlin?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done
>>> >>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been
>>> >>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official
>>> >>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is
>>> >>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has
>>> been
>>> >>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two
>>> >>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please
>>> >>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I hope this helps.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Regards,
>>> >>>> Arsene
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com <
>>> >>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>:
>>> >>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you
>>> >>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will
>>> go
>>> >>>> well
>>> >>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in
>>> the
>>> >>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a
>>> >>>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would
>>> like to
>>> >>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with
>>> the
>>> >>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group
>>> taking
>>> >>>> it
>>> >>>> > forward.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important
>>> that it
>>> >>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and
>>> >>>> > that
>>> >>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Ian Peter
>>> >>>> > ------ Original Message ------
>>> >>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>> >>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> >>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>;
>>> "Salanieta T.
>>> >>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>;
>>> "Parminder"
>>> >>>> > <parminder at itforchange.net>; "governance"
>>> >>>> > <governance at lists.riseup.net
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM
>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF
>>> Day
>>> >>>> > zero event and other subjects
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you.
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the
>>> last
>>> >>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co
>>> >>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new
>>> >>>> >> charter
>>> >>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was
>>> >>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you
>>> are.
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next
>>> >>>> >> steps.
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>Regards,
>>> >>>> >>Arsene
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>> >:
>>> >>>> >>>  Dear all,
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>  While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for
>>> Bestbits,
>>> >>>> >>> we
>>> >>>> >>> have
>>> >>>> >>>  agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations
>>> >>>> need to
>>> >>>> >>>  take that into account. We're at that point where the closure
>>> has
>>> >>>> been
>>> >>>> >>>  agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on
>>> IGC
>>> >>>> >>> but
>>> >>>> >>> likely
>>> >>>> >>>  will sign up to be part of the discussions soon.
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>  As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to
>>> >>>> >>> join
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> >>> join
>>> >>>> >>>  and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The
>>> call
>>> >>>> >>> to
>>> >>>> >>> agree
>>> >>>> >>>  next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going
>>> to
>>> >>>> >>> be
>>> >>>> >>> w/c
>>> >>>> >>>  August 5.
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>  Best
>>> >>>> >>>  Sheetal
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>>> >>>> >>>  <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>>> >>>> >>>  wrote:
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>>  Bruna,
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>  On a more substantive matter -
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>  Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards
>>> >>>> >>>> getting
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> >>>>  IGC
>>> >>>> >>>>  Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway?
>>> On
>>> >>>> June
>>> >>>> >>>> 26
>>> >>>> >>>>  you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and
>>> >>>> >>>> would
>>> >>>> >>>> get
>>> >>>> >>>>  back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update?
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>  Ian Peter
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>  ------ Original Message ------
>>> >>>> >>>>  From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>>> >>>> >>>> <governance at lists.riseup.net
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>>  To: "Parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net>
>>> >>>> >>>>  Cc: "governance" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>> >>>> >>>>  Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM
>>> >>>> >>>>  Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in,
>>> IGF
>>> >>>> Day
>>> >>>> >>>> zero
>>> >>>> >>>>  event and other subjects
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>  Agree with Parminder.
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder,
>>> >>>> >>>> <parminder at itforchange.net
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>>  wrote:
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>  HI Bruna/ All
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>  Good morning to all!
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>  Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter.
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>  As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you
>>> plan
>>> >>>> >>>>> it...
>>> >>>> >>>>>  Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and
>>> >>>> >>>>> please
>>> >>>> >>>>>  ensure
>>> >>>> >>>>>  that these do not clash. Thanks.
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>  While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions
>>> >>>> >>>>> can
>>> >>>> be
>>> >>>> >>>>>  done
>>> >>>> >>>>>  among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that
>>> the
>>> >>>> main
>>> >>>> >>>>>  and
>>> >>>> >>>>>  authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which
>>> I
>>> >>>> >>>>> request
>>> >>>> >>>>>  everyone's attention to.
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>  thanks and best regards
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>  parminder
>>> >>>> >>>>>  On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance
>>> >>>> Mailing
>>> >>>> >>>>>  List) wrote:
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>  Dear IGC members,
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>  As some of you might be aware, there has been some
>>> discussions
>>> >>>> around
>>> >>>> >>>>>  the
>>> >>>> >>>>>  merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months.
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>  Back in Tunis, @RightsCon <rightscon at accessnow.org>, some
>>> of us
>>> >>>> >>>>> convened
>>> >>>> >>>>>  to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and
>>> that
>>> >>>> also
>>> >>>> >>>>>  entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as
>>> >>>> well as
>>> >>>> >>>>>  the
>>> >>>> >>>>>  decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits
>>> >>>> >>>>> list
>>> >>>> >>>>>  <
>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html>.
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>  Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss
>>> our
>>> >>>> next
>>> >>>> >>>>>  steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in
>>> November.
>>> >>>> >>>>> Another
>>> >>>> >>>>>  agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC
>>> >>>> co-coordinators
>>> >>>> >>>>>  elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related
>>> subjects,
>>> >>>> >>>>> there
>>> >>>> >>>>>  is
>>> >>>> >>>>>  also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as
>>> well
>>> >>>> >>>>> as
>>> >>>> >>>>>  proper
>>> >>>> >>>>>  outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for
>>> members to
>>> >>>> join
>>> >>>> >>>>>  IGC.
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>  For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> created
>>> >>>> this
>>> >>>> >>>>>  doodle for all interested members to indicate their
>>> availability
>>> >>>> for
>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>> >>>>>  call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26
>>> >>>> >>>>>  <https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26>
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>  Best Regards,
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>  --
>>> >>>> >>>>>  *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>  Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>> >>>> >>>>>  @boomartins
>>> >>>> >>>>>
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>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>  --
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>  *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> >>>> >>>  Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> >>>> >>>  Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> >>>> >>>  T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> E9E2
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>>> >>>> >>> DD7F
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>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>--
>>> >>>> >>------------------------
>>> >>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>> >>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>>> >>>> >><http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>>> >>>> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>>> >>>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
>>> >>>> >>GPG: 523644A0
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>>> >>>> >><
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>>
>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>>> >>>> >><https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN
>>> IGF MAG
>>> >>>> >><https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> ------------------------
>>> >>>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>> >>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>>> >>>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>>> >>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>>> >>>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
>>> >>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>>> >>>> <
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>>> >>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF
>>> MAG
>>> >>>> <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ------------------------
>>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
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>>>
>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>>> <
>>>
>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>>> >
>>>
>>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
>>> <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>>>
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