[governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects

Wed Jul 17 09:24:35 EDT 2019

I forgot to add failing to deliver the website on time.

On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:22 pm Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, <
salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:

> Response is inline;
>
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:15 pm Arsène Tungali, <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It is noted that you don't want to apologize and it is your right.
>> This is noted.
>>
>> And you don't have to call people "incompetent" with no
>> details/explanation to substantiate your claim. On what basis are you
>> calling coordinators incompetent?
>>
>
> 1)Pending elections and not calling for nominees from November last year
> for January's elections.
>
> 2)Not driving a call for strategic engagement and waiting for the wind to
> blow the IGC in any direction. I will use Milton's term for "rudderless".
>
> I will underscore that the criticism is on the inaction and not of people
> personally. This is not a personal attack but addressing a key leadership
> issue.
>
>>
>> It is okay to say now that Arsene is term ended since January because
>> there are activities on the list, but it was obvious that no one was
>> interested in elections at some point.
>
>
> Again, this is rubbish. A call for elections is void of people's lack of
> interest. There was no call put out last November, 2018.
>
> And you should thank those who
>> have helped revive the discussion because those here who recall the
>> history, we have gone through a lot of issues and if elections were
>> called at that time, close to no one would have nominated themselves
>> for that.
>>
>
> The IGC was never dead. Its members are movers and shakers globally, it is
> the leadership that needs revival.
>
>>
>> Only God knows how many times I called for help here when everything
>> was almost dying, I think at some point this community will have to
>> thank me for my service :)
>
>
> Again hogwash. You were always putting emails notifying of MAG activities
> not engaged in core leadership. Whilst I thank you for your service, you do
> us all a tremendous disservice when you do not take responsibility for not
> calling elections. This is not acceptable. Leaders must be able to take
> responsibility.
>
> But this is not the point here as I don't
>> always seek for praises whenever I am doing some work. I am thankful
>> to Bruna for her support since the day she joined and everyone else
>> who provided help.
>>
>> The future looks great now, let's work to make things happen!
>
> The future is always great! Yes we should work together but it also means
> having Frank and open and honest conversations so we can move forward.
>
> I look
>> forward to having BestBits members join and be allowed time to have
>> voting rights, as per the charter.
>>
>> Please digest what Parminder raised on this matter and scores more.
>>
>
> Regards,
>> Arsene
>>
>>
>> 2019-07-17 14:20 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>:
>> > I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators.
>> > The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by
>> > those that participate in last held elections.
>> > Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by
>> virtue
>> > of Charter.
>> >
>> > Get on with the elections!
>> >
>> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, <
>> > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> What a load of rubbish!
>> >> The elections need to take place asap.
>> >> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Get it together!
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Dear all,
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is
>> >>> ok
>> >>> with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is
>> >>> involved
>> >>> in such a group if she can be.
>> >>>
>> >>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much
>> appreciated.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best
>> >>> Sheetal.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of
>> an
>> >>>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim
>> >>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that
>> >>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we
>> >>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big
>> >>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes
>> >>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should
>> be
>> >>>> taken by Berlin?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done
>> >>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been
>> >>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official
>> >>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is
>> >>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has
>> been
>> >>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two
>> >>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please
>> >>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I hope this helps.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards,
>> >>>> Arsene
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com <
>> >>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>:
>> >>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you
>> >>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go
>> >>>> well
>> >>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in
>> the
>> >>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a
>> >>>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like
>> to
>> >>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with
>> the
>> >>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group
>> taking
>> >>>> it
>> >>>> > forward.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that
>> it
>> >>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and
>> >>>> > that
>> >>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Ian Peter
>> >>>> > ------ Original Message ------
>> >>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> >>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> >>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>; "Salanieta
>> T.
>> >>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>;
>> "Parminder"
>> >>>> > <parminder at itforchange.net>; "governance"
>> >>>> > <governance at lists.riseup.net
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM
>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF
>> Day
>> >>>> > zero event and other subjects
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the
>> last
>> >>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co
>> >>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new
>> >>>> >> charter
>> >>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was
>> >>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you
>> are.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next
>> >>>> >> steps.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>Regards,
>> >>>> >>Arsene
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>> >:
>> >>>> >>>  Dear all,
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>  While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for
>> Bestbits,
>> >>>> >>> we
>> >>>> >>> have
>> >>>> >>>  agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations
>> >>>> need to
>> >>>> >>>  take that into account. We're at that point where the closure
>> has
>> >>>> been
>> >>>> >>>  agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC
>> >>>> >>> but
>> >>>> >>> likely
>> >>>> >>>  will sign up to be part of the discussions soon.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>  As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to
>> >>>> >>> join
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> >>> join
>> >>>> >>>  and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The
>> call
>> >>>> >>> to
>> >>>> >>> agree
>> >>>> >>>  next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going
>> to
>> >>>> >>> be
>> >>>> >>> w/c
>> >>>> >>>  August 5.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>  Best
>> >>>> >>>  Sheetal
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>> >>>> >>>  <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>> >>>> >>>  wrote:
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>>  Bruna,
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>  On a more substantive matter -
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>  Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards
>> >>>> >>>> getting
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> >>>>  IGC
>> >>>> >>>>  Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway?
>> On
>> >>>> June
>> >>>> >>>> 26
>> >>>> >>>>  you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and
>> >>>> >>>> would
>> >>>> >>>> get
>> >>>> >>>>  back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update?
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>  Ian Peter
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>  ------ Original Message ------
>> >>>> >>>>  From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>> >>>> >>>> <governance at lists.riseup.net
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>>  To: "Parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net>
>> >>>> >>>>  Cc: "governance" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> >>>> >>>>  Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM
>> >>>> >>>>  Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in,
>> IGF
>> >>>> Day
>> >>>> >>>> zero
>> >>>> >>>>  event and other subjects
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>  Agree with Parminder.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder,
>> >>>> >>>> <parminder at itforchange.net
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>>  wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>  HI Bruna/ All
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>  Good morning to all!
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>  Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter.
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>  As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you
>> plan
>> >>>> >>>>> it...
>> >>>> >>>>>  Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and
>> >>>> >>>>> please
>> >>>> >>>>>  ensure
>> >>>> >>>>>  that these do not clash. Thanks.
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>  While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions
>> >>>> >>>>> can
>> >>>> be
>> >>>> >>>>>  done
>> >>>> >>>>>  among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that
>> the
>> >>>> main
>> >>>> >>>>>  and
>> >>>> >>>>>  authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I
>> >>>> >>>>> request
>> >>>> >>>>>  everyone's attention to.
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>  thanks and best regards
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>  parminder
>> >>>> >>>>>  On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance
>> >>>> Mailing
>> >>>> >>>>>  List) wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>  Dear IGC members,
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>  As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions
>> >>>> around
>> >>>> >>>>>  the
>> >>>> >>>>>  merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months.
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>  Back in Tunis, @RightsCon <rightscon at accessnow.org>, some of
>> us
>> >>>> >>>>> convened
>> >>>> >>>>>  to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and
>> that
>> >>>> also
>> >>>> >>>>>  entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as
>> >>>> well as
>> >>>> >>>>>  the
>> >>>> >>>>>  decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits
>> >>>> >>>>> list
>> >>>> >>>>>  <http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html
>> >.
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>  Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss
>> our
>> >>>> next
>> >>>> >>>>>  steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in
>> November.
>> >>>> >>>>> Another
>> >>>> >>>>>  agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC
>> >>>> co-coordinators
>> >>>> >>>>>  elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related
>> subjects,
>> >>>> >>>>> there
>> >>>> >>>>>  is
>> >>>> >>>>>  also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as
>> well
>> >>>> >>>>> as
>> >>>> >>>>>  proper
>> >>>> >>>>>  outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members
>> to
>> >>>> join
>> >>>> >>>>>  IGC.
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>  For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> created
>> >>>> this
>> >>>> >>>>>  doodle for all interested members to indicate their
>> availability
>> >>>> for
>> >>>> >>>>> the
>> >>>> >>>>>  call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26
>> >>>> >>>>>  <https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>  Best Regards,
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>  --
>> >>>> >>>>>  *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>  Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >>>> >>>>>  @boomartins
>> >>>> >>>>>
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>> >>>> >>>  --
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>  *Sheetal Kumar*
>> >>>> >>>  Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>> >>>> >>>  Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>--
>> >>>> >>------------------------
>> >>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>> >>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
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>> >>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>> >>>> >><
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>
>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>> >>>> >><https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF
>> MAG
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>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> ------------------------
>> >>>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>> >>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
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>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
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>> --
>> ------------------------
>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
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>>
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>> >
>>
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