[governance] [bestbits] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps")

Peter Micek peter at accessnow.org
Fri Jul 19 17:21:46 EDT 2019 

I believe it would violate data protection principles to add folks to
the IGC list from BestBits (or anywhere else) without their consent. We
discussed this at the RightsCon meeting and agreed that any further
processing of email addresses would need individual consent. That also
provides a convenient opportunity to let people know about the Charter
and any other changes they should be aware of in the "merger" (I prefer
blossoming or perhaps metamorphosis) process.

Peter

On 7/19/19 4:14 PM, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance
Mailing List) wrote:
> Can I not be copied into Best Bits mailing list please?
> Thanks.
>
> The option to join the IGC is simply to subscribe and commit to accepting
> the Charter.
>
> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 2:45 pm Sheetal Kumar, <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Thank you to those who have filled out the doodle. You'll find the meeting
>> details below.
>>
>> *Date and time:* 06 August, 2 PM UTC
>>
>> To join the call online, please click the green "join" button below and
>> follow the on-screen prompts. To connect to audio, please click the "call using
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>>
>>
>> Bestbits closure and revived IGC: Next steps
>> <https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/meetings/view?uuid=MDCCYAEK5DKYWUGH875ZS20WQ5-OY93&ucs=email>
>>
>> *6 Aug, 15:00* | 1 hr 30 min
>>
>> London (Western European Summer Time, GMT+01:00)
>>
>> Host: Global Partners Digital
>>
>>
>> Join
>> <https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/meetings/join?uuid=MDCCYAEK5DKYWUGH875ZS20WQ5-OY93>
>>
>>
>> *Agenda:*
>> 1) Closure of Bestbits: agreement on date and process
>> 2) Moving to IGC: what is the current status? What is happening/what to
>> expect?
>> 3) Organisation of civil society day 0 event: discussion of timeline
>> 4) AOB
>>
>> I look forward to speaking to many of you soon!
>>
>> Best
>> Sheetal.
>>
>> On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 at 15:57, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Thank you to those who have already filled in the doodle to discuss next
>>> steps. This is just a polite reminder to fill in the doodle if you haven't
>>> already. You can find it here: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26
>>>
>>> I'll send around the confirmation of the date at the end of next week, so
>>> please do indicate your availability by 25 July.
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Sheetal
>>>
>>> On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your responses to the proposal to merge IGC and Bestbits
>>>> into one list. This proposal requires the closing of Bestbits and therefore
>>>> we will proceed with this course of action.
>>>>
>>>> I am including below a doodle to arrange a call to discuss next steps,
>>>> including the organisation of a day 0 event at the global IGF in Berlin in
>>>> November. The proposal for an event has been accepted, but the event is for
>>>> 2.5 hours only, not the full day event originally proposed. On the call we
>>>> suggest discussing reviving the IGC website, the proposal to conduct a
>>>> revision of the IGC Charter, and elections. We'll also agree the process
>>>> for closing Bestbits, and the outreach necessary to ensure that the
>>>> information is communicated in a clear and transparent way.
>>>>
>>>> Please indicate your availability for this call here: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 14:28, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Sheetal,
>>>>>
>>>>> I concur accordingly and have no objections at all to the proposal so I
>>>>> have no further inputs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Poncelet
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Poncelet
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 13:24, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks to all those who have inputted so far! It's great to see
>>>>>> support for the proposal shared earlier this month. This is just a gentle
>>>>>> reminder to weigh in on the proposal before *July 5th*, which I've
>>>>>> recopied in italics below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Meeting of IGC & BB participants, June 11th, 2019, RightsCon, Tunis*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Following a discussion of the history of coordination efforts from
>>>>>> those who had been involved in the early set up of the IGC, and a
>>>>>> discussion of what is needed to address challenges to information sharing &
>>>>>> coordination, those present agreed that the proposal for combining, or
>>>>>> consolidating, efforts should be taken forward (this was one of the four
>>>>>> options suggested in a survey to Bestbits members earlier this year - see
>>>>>> attached). This discussion also draws on and continues a series of online
>>>>>> conversations facilitated by members of IGC and Bestbits, which you can see
>>>>>> a summary of here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>. There was a need
>>>>>> identified for more streamlined information sharing and expectation that
>>>>>> opportunities to collaborate around common priorities or issues will arise
>>>>>> from more structured and streamlined information sharing. It was also
>>>>>> agreed that the current IGC Charter could form a basis for a future
>>>>>> document but that it should be revisited and a more lightweight and general
>>>>>> framework should be developed.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Therefore, the group proposes that those interested in civil society
>>>>>> coordination efforts related to the original vision of the IGC Charter (see
>>>>>> attached), join the IGC and that Bestbits is closed, with an automatic
>>>>>> response instituted for those posting on Bestbits, redirecting them to join
>>>>>> IGC. Within IGC, following this merger, we propose that those interested
>>>>>> form a small drafting group to draft a revised and more lightweight version
>>>>>> of the Charter. Those present also agreed to work towards the organisation
>>>>>> of a day 0 event before the global IGF this year in Berlin, in concert with
>>>>>> German civil society groups. The day 0 event will be dedicated to
>>>>>> finalising the revised Charter and sharing updates on relevant global
>>>>>> processes (the UN High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation & the UN First
>>>>>> Committee processes on cybersecurity). *
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *If you have strong concerns or if you oppose the merger proposal as
>>>>>> outlined above, please share your perspectives by 05 July. Should there be
>>>>>> no objections, we suggest the process as outlined is implemented after July
>>>>>> 05. If you have any questions at all about the process so far, please do
>>>>>> get in touch with us.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Participants: Leena Romppainen (Effi), Gayatri Khandhadai (APC),
>>>>>> Pavitra Ramanujam (APC), Sheetal Kumar (GPD), Anriette Esterhuysen (APC),
>>>>>> Milton Mueller (Georgia Tech), Jamila Venturini (Derechos Digitales), Peter
>>>>>> Micek (Access Now), Rafik Dammak, Bruna Martins dos Santos (Coding Rights),
>>>>>> Nadira Alaraj, Bach Avezdjanov (Columbia Global Freedom of Expression),
>>>>>> Arsene Tungali (Rudi International)*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Agenda followed:*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *1) Introductions 2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed
>>>>>> 3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? Why
>>>>>> organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to be? 4)
>>>>>> Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? Agreement on
>>>>>> roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 14:53, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> A better option.
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Remmy Nweke
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 18:57 Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am writing here on behalf of the thirteen members of IGC and/or
>>>>>>>> Bestbits which met on June 11, day 0 of RightsCon in Tunis to take forward
>>>>>>>> our discussion on how to better coordinate civil society efforts (see
>>>>>>>> agenda & participants at bottom of this email). Please see our proposal
>>>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Following a discussion of the history of coordination efforts from
>>>>>>>> those who had been involved in the early set up of the IGC, and a
>>>>>>>> discussion of what is needed to address challenges to information sharing &
>>>>>>>> coordination, those present agreed that the proposal for combining, or
>>>>>>>> consolidating, efforts should be taken forward (this was one of the four
>>>>>>>> options suggested in a survey to Bestbits members earlier this year - see
>>>>>>>> attached). This discussion also draws on and continues a series of online
>>>>>>>> conversations facilitated by members of IGC and Bestbits, which you can see
>>>>>>>> a summary of here:
>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture. There was a
>>>>>>>> need identified for more streamlined information sharing and expectation
>>>>>>>> that opportunities to collaborate around common priorities or issues will
>>>>>>>> arise from more structured and streamlined information sharing. It was also
>>>>>>>> agreed that the current IGC Charter could form a basis for a future
>>>>>>>> document but that it should be revisited and a more lightweight and general
>>>>>>>> framework should be developed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Therefore, the group proposes that those interested in civil society
>>>>>>>> coordination efforts related to the original vision of the IGC Charter (see
>>>>>>>> attached), join the IGC and that Bestbits is closed, with an automatic
>>>>>>>> response instituted for those posting on Bestbits, redirecting them to join
>>>>>>>> IGC. Within IGC, following this merger, we propose that those interested
>>>>>>>> form a small drafting group to draft a revised and more lightweight version
>>>>>>>> of the Charter. Those present also agreed to work towards the organisation
>>>>>>>> of a day 0 event before the global IGF this year in Berlin, in concert with
>>>>>>>> German civil society groups. The day 0 event will be dedicated to
>>>>>>>> finalising the revised Charter and sharing updates on relevant global
>>>>>>>> processes (the UN High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation & the UN First
>>>>>>>> Committee processes on cybersecurity).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you have strong concerns or if you oppose the merger proposal as
>>>>>>>> outlined above, please share your perspectives by *05 July*. Should
>>>>>>>> there be no objections, we suggest the process as outlined is implemented
>>>>>>>> after July 05. If you have any questions at all about the process so far,
>>>>>>>> please do get in touch with us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Participants: Leena Romppainen (Effi), Gayatri Khandhadai (APC), Pavitra
>>>>>>>> Ramanujam (APC), Sheetal Kumar (GPD), Anriette Esterhuysen (APC),
>>>>>>>> Milton Mueller (Georgia Tech), Jamila Venturini (Derechos Digitales), Peter
>>>>>>>> Micek (Access Now), Rafik Dammak, Bruna Martins dos Santos (Coding Rights),
>>>>>>>> Nadira Alaraj, Bach Avezdjanov (Columbia Global Freedom of
>>>>>>>> Expression), Arsene Tungali (Rudi International)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agenda followed:
>>>>>>>> 1) Introductions
>>>>>>>> 2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed
>>>>>>>> 3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it?
>>>>>>>> Why organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to
>>>>>>>> be?
>>>>>>>> 4) Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee?
>>>>>>>> Agreement on roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 16:36, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to seeing those of you who can make it to our
>>>>>>>>> meeting in Tunis tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you're attending to come but haven't yet let me know, please
>>>>>>>>> drop me a line if you can.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please find the details below:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Where:* Room DOUGGA on Tuesday, June 11th from 9am-12:30pm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Why/Aims/intended outcome:*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>> *Agreed next steps for organising a day 0 event *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *What/the agenda: *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *1) Introductions (15 minutes)*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed (15 minutes)*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it?
>>>>>>>>> Why organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to
>>>>>>>>> be? (1-1.5 hours)*
>>>>>>>>> *4) Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee?
>>>>>>>>> Agreement on roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps (45
>>>>>>>>> minutes) *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do let me know if you have any questions!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Best*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 10:24, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to
>>>>>>>>>> plan the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    - Room Dougga
>>>>>>>>>>    - June 11, *9am-12:30pm *
>>>>>>>>>>    - Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be
>>>>>>>>>> part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet
>>>>>>>>>> before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed
>>>>>>>>>> interest in this effort so I can add you to that too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hope to see many of you soon!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies
>>>>>>>>>>> off-thread expressing interest in the effort.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at
>>>>>>>>>>> the RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not! Will you
>>>>>>>>>>> be at RightsCon?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On the way forward:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    - Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like
>>>>>>>>>>>    to attend that first meeting as there is limited space but of course we'd
>>>>>>>>>>>    like to accommodate everyone who can attend
>>>>>>>>>>>    - If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then
>>>>>>>>>>>    please do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone updated and
>>>>>>>>>>>    you can input into the meeting agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we
>>>>>>>>>>>    have good wifi)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov <
>>>>>>>>>>> ba2482 at columbia.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could inquire
>>>>>>>>>>>> if we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bach Avezdjanov
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 212 854 1591
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subscribe to our Weekly News Letter!
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://columbia.us8.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=5b024e7a0c16e2779164ac24d&id=67263d095b>*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Lee W
>>>>>>>>>>>> McKnight
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt <
>>>>>>>>>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance; Sheetal Kumar
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and the DC on
>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Principles had a joint meeting to discuss overlaps; we left with a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the creation and translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Principles among other positive outcomes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of
>>>>>>>>>>>> this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize also the
>>>>>>>>>>>> cross-CS coordination right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and
>>>>>>>>>>>> methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty meeting feel (at
>>>>>>>>>>>> times to this prof).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net <
>>>>>>>>>>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar
>>>>>>>>>>>> <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian
>>>>>>>>>>>> muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt
>>>>>>>>>>>> < governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of
>>>>>>>>>>>> those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants
>>>>>>>>>>>> here:  https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture),
>>>>>>>>>>>> see below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going
>>>>>>>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    - IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a
>>>>>>>>>>>>    day 0 event at IGF
>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal
>>>>>>>>>>>>    steering committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as
>>>>>>>>>>>>    'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation
>>>>>>>>>>>>    of the event however they see fit
>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Members of other lists are invited to join once an
>>>>>>>>>>>>    informal agenda has been put together
>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this
>>>>>>>>>>>>    effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of
>>>>>>>>>>>>    focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already
>>>>>>>>>>>>    been proposed)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like
>>>>>>>>>>>> we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global
>>>>>>>>>>>> level coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting
>>>>>>>>>>>> together an agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to
>>>>>>>>>>>> these efforts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please provide your views on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the
>>>>>>>>>>>> recording I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary
>>>>>>>>>>>> at the top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should
>>>>>>>>>>>> provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>> about civil society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> call reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to
>>>>>>>>>>>> work together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported
>>>>>>>>>>>> exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call
>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage
>>>>>>>>>>>> and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore,
>>>>>>>>>>>> we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>> would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put
>>>>>>>>>>>> something short together and then to share it with you for your feedback
>>>>>>>>>>>> before sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple
>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> call wants to chime in with more information please do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen <
>>>>>>>>>>>> tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will
>>>>>>>>>>>> report on the meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tapani Tarvainen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under
>>>>>>>>>>>> an hour at 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PM UTC (see the link below).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting room details
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Meeting URL*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 524 189 381
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Want to dial in from a phone?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dial one of the following numbers:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Connecting from a room system?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID &
>>>>>>>>>>>> passcode
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Wednesday,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further
>>>>>>>>>>>> below too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting room details
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Meeting URL*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 524 189 381
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Want to dial in from a phone?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dial one of the following numbers:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers
>>>>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Connecting from a room system?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID &
>>>>>>>>>>>> passcode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improving coordination are welcome so please share with
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone relevant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suggested agenda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of
>>>>>>>>>>>> what's happened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Akinremi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the
>>>>>>>>>>>> participants of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Governance list, especially the thinking that
>>>>>>>>>>>> "discussion about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net
>>>>>>>>>>>> is working,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then I do not have concerns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M <
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> mailbox is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net
>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing-list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do so as to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits list to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a
>>>>>>>>>>>> different problem. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is
>>>>>>>>>>>> managing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Governance lists please?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M <
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be
>>>>>>>>>>>> limited to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging
>>>>>>>>>>>> should be limited to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>> an independent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the
>>>>>>>>>>>> group should cease
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC group wants IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to remain as it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some
>>>>>>>>>>>> contacts on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you
>>>>>>>>>>>> are referring to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any
>>>>>>>>>>>> privacy issue that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light
>>>>>>>>>>>> on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part
>>>>>>>>>>>> of our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society
>>>>>>>>>>>> organization in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing
>>>>>>>>>>>> many hat remains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited
>>>>>>>>>>>> response, only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Possibly the poll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed
>>>>>>>>>>>> only to the IGC list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits" rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement
>>>>>>>>>>>> in these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society
>>>>>>>>>>>> coordination, and I know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The conversations have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the
>>>>>>>>>>>> current situation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination
>>>>>>>>>>>> network), and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil
>>>>>>>>>>>> society coordination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey
>>>>>>>>>>>> which gathered a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached
>>>>>>>>>>>> a summary report of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>> there was discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we
>>>>>>>>>>>> do that however, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey
>>>>>>>>>>>> and agree a way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can
>>>>>>>>>>>> confirm the date and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a room.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and
>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions so far!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the
>>>>>>>>>>>> survey. I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document,
>>>>>>>>>>>> with a summary included
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> first half
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way
>>>>>>>>>>>> forward (45 minutes-1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with
>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC founders and other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> separate call too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been
>>>>>>>>>>>> to find a way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> thus to change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help
>>>>>>>>>>>> in finding a way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the widest possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other
>>>>>>>>>>>> suggestions on how to proceed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a
>>>>>>>>>>>> doodle for a follow up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it
>>>>>>>>>>>> would be great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits. If you could fill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much
>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call
>>>>>>>>>>>> to decide next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so
>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your
>>>>>>>>>>>> views if you can,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will
>>>>>>>>>>>> feed into the next set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread,
>>>>>>>>>>>> please see a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits. Following a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as
>>>>>>>>>>>> well as members of IGC, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to
>>>>>>>>>>>> gather views of all members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information
>>>>>>>>>>>> note which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> links to the summaries of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are
>>>>>>>>>>>> invited to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>> in a timely way, please
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have
>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call
>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday. For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find
>>>>>>>>>>>> the list of participants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways
>>>>>>>>>>>> forward for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation
>>>>>>>>>>>> in December and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling
>>>>>>>>>>>> their objectives,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we
>>>>>>>>>>>> agreed to circulate a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on
>>>>>>>>>>>> four suggested ways forward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was
>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested that this survey with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the future of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly
>>>>>>>>>>>> to both lists shortly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly
>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on
>>>>>>>>>>>> next steps is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC*. The full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've updated the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems
>>>>>>>>>>>> the best time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are
>>>>>>>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the 11th!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc
>>>>>>>>>>>> -or-199.48.152.152
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers
>>>>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone
>>>>>>>>>>>> number will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would
>>>>>>>>>>>> like to record and share the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>> list. Please let us know if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on
>>>>>>>>>>>> an open mailing list if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>> and IGC lists,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other
>>>>>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and
>>>>>>>>>>>> issues faced in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
>>>>>>>>>>>> lists/establishment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists
>>>>>>>>>>>> as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on
>>>>>>>>>>>> process for decision
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who
>>>>>>>>>>>> indicated they were available for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>> member you can join the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this
>>>>>>>>>>>> is just to have a vague idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this
>>>>>>>>>>>> topic, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their
>>>>>>>>>>>> perspectives and the relevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to
>>>>>>>>>>>> touch base
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way
>>>>>>>>>>>> forward. The discussions here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second
>>>>>>>>>>>> call to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and
>>>>>>>>>>>> issues faced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of
>>>>>>>>>>>> lists/establishment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using
>>>>>>>>>>>> lists as information sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on
>>>>>>>>>>>> process for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last
>>>>>>>>>>>> call, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but
>>>>>>>>>>>> that we also reach out to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background
>>>>>>>>>>>> and inform the discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the
>>>>>>>>>>>> end of next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and
>>>>>>>>>>>> send the conference room link
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams
>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with
>>>>>>>>>>>> care, and have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in
>>>>>>>>>>>> line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working
>>>>>>>>>>>> together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups
>>>>>>>>>>>> again really improve participation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what
>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to be done,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the
>>>>>>>>>>>> people who started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same
>>>>>>>>>>>> perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems
>>>>>>>>>>>> unlikely that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider
>>>>>>>>>>>> IRPC (which many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently
>>>>>>>>>>>> having some difficulty with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out
>>>>>>>>>>>> management tasks for the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>> issues and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right
>>>>>>>>>>>> way to do that now or do we need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For those who were part of the first
>>>>>>>>>>>> Steering Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could you share more information about how
>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become
>>>>>>>>>>>> toxic and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a
>>>>>>>>>>>> while since it had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same
>>>>>>>>>>>> time, the 2012 ITU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on
>>>>>>>>>>>> joint action
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both
>>>>>>>>>>>> inside and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first
>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer steering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics
>>>>>>>>>>>> that had driven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various
>>>>>>>>>>>> participants having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their
>>>>>>>>>>>> own funding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly
>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of
>>>>>>>>>>>> accountability resulted in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate
>>>>>>>>>>>> set of rules
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and
>>>>>>>>>>>> people weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who
>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all
>>>>>>>>>>>> for that. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much
>>>>>>>>>>>> time to it as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my
>>>>>>>>>>>> new nonprofit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~'
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not
>>>>>>>>>>>> money but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel
>>>>>>>>>>>> Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint:
>>>>>>>>>>>> F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint:
>>>>>>>>>>>> F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5
>>>>>>>>>>>> 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5
>>>>>>>>>>>> 114D 173B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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