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<p>I believe it would violate data protection principles to add
folks to the IGC list from BestBits (or anywhere else) without
their consent. We discussed this at the RightsCon meeting and
agreed that any further processing of email addresses would need
individual consent. That also provides a convenient opportunity to
let people know about the Charter and any other changes they
should be aware of in the "merger" (I prefer blossoming or perhaps
metamorphosis) process.</p>
<p>Peter<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/19/19 4:14 PM, "Salanieta T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Can I not be copied into Best Bits mailing list please?
Thanks.
The option to join the IGC is simply to subscribe and commit to accepting
the Charter.
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 2:45 pm Sheetal Kumar, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org"><sheetal@gp-digital.org></a> wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear all,
Thank you to those who have filled out the doodle. You'll find the meeting
details below.
*Date and time:* 06 August, 2 PM UTC
To join the call online, please click the green "join" button below and
follow the on-screen prompts. To connect to audio, please click the "call using
computer" button on the left hand side of the webex window.
Bestbits closure and revived IGC: Next steps
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/meetings/view?uuid=MDCCYAEK5DKYWUGH875ZS20WQ5-OY93&ucs=email"><https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/meetings/view?uuid=MDCCYAEK5DKYWUGH875ZS20WQ5-OY93&ucs=email></a>
*6 Aug, 15:00* | 1 hr 30 min
London (Western European Summer Time, GMT+01:00)
Host: Global Partners Digital
Join
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/meetings/join?uuid=MDCCYAEK5DKYWUGH875ZS20WQ5-OY93"><https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/meetings/join?uuid=MDCCYAEK5DKYWUGH875ZS20WQ5-OY93></a>
*Agenda:*
1) Closure of Bestbits: agreement on date and process
2) Moving to IGC: what is the current status? What is happening/what to
expect?
3) Organisation of civil society day 0 event: discussion of timeline
4) AOB
I look forward to speaking to many of you soon!
Best
Sheetal.
On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 at 15:57, Sheetal Kumar <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org"><sheetal@gp-digital.org></a>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear all,
Thank you to those who have already filled in the doodle to discuss next
steps. This is just a polite reminder to fill in the doodle if you haven't
already. You can find it here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26">https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26</a>
I'll send around the confirmation of the date at the end of next week, so
please do indicate your availability by 25 July.
Best
Sheetal
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org"><sheetal@gp-digital.org></a>
wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear all,
Thank you for your responses to the proposal to merge IGC and Bestbits
into one list. This proposal requires the closing of Bestbits and therefore
we will proceed with this course of action.
I am including below a doodle to arrange a call to discuss next steps,
including the organisation of a day 0 event at the global IGF in Berlin in
November. The proposal for an event has been accepted, but the event is for
2.5 hours only, not the full day event originally proposed. On the call we
suggest discussing reviving the IGC website, the proposal to conduct a
revision of the IGC Charter, and elections. We'll also agree the process
for closing Bestbits, and the outreach necessary to ensure that the
information is communicated in a clear and transparent way.
Please indicate your availability for this call here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26">https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26</a>
Thanks everyone!
Best
Sheetal.
--
*Sheetal Kumar*
On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 14:28, Poncelet Ileleji <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pileleji@ymca.gm"><pileleji@ymca.gm></a> wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hello Sheetal,
I concur accordingly and have no objections at all to the proposal so I
have no further inputs.
Poncelet
Kind Regards
Poncelet
On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 13:24, Sheetal Kumar <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org"><sheetal@gp-digital.org></a>
wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear all,
Thanks to all those who have inputted so far! It's great to see
support for the proposal shared earlier this month. This is just a gentle
reminder to weigh in on the proposal before *July 5th*, which I've
recopied in italics below.
Best
Sheetal.
*Meeting of IGC & BB participants, June 11th, 2019, RightsCon, Tunis*
*Following a discussion of the history of coordination efforts from
those who had been involved in the early set up of the IGC, and a
discussion of what is needed to address challenges to information sharing &
coordination, those present agreed that the proposal for combining, or
consolidating, efforts should be taken forward (this was one of the four
options suggested in a survey to Bestbits members earlier this year - see
attached). This discussion also draws on and continues a series of online
conversations facilitated by members of IGC and Bestbits, which you can see
a summary of here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture">https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture"><https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture></a>. There was a need
identified for more streamlined information sharing and expectation that
opportunities to collaborate around common priorities or issues will arise
from more structured and streamlined information sharing. It was also
agreed that the current IGC Charter could form a basis for a future
document but that it should be revisited and a more lightweight and general
framework should be developed.*
*Therefore, the group proposes that those interested in civil society
coordination efforts related to the original vision of the IGC Charter (see
attached), join the IGC and that Bestbits is closed, with an automatic
response instituted for those posting on Bestbits, redirecting them to join
IGC. Within IGC, following this merger, we propose that those interested
form a small drafting group to draft a revised and more lightweight version
of the Charter. Those present also agreed to work towards the organisation
of a day 0 event before the global IGF this year in Berlin, in concert with
German civil society groups. The day 0 event will be dedicated to
finalising the revised Charter and sharing updates on relevant global
processes (the UN High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation & the UN First
Committee processes on cybersecurity). *
*If you have strong concerns or if you oppose the merger proposal as
outlined above, please share your perspectives by 05 July. Should there be
no objections, we suggest the process as outlined is implemented after July
05. If you have any questions at all about the process so far, please do
get in touch with us.*
*Participants: Leena Romppainen (Effi), Gayatri Khandhadai (APC),
Pavitra Ramanujam (APC), Sheetal Kumar (GPD), Anriette Esterhuysen (APC),
Milton Mueller (Georgia Tech), Jamila Venturini (Derechos Digitales), Peter
Micek (Access Now), Rafik Dammak, Bruna Martins dos Santos (Coding Rights),
Nadira Alaraj, Bach Avezdjanov (Columbia Global Freedom of Expression),
Arsene Tungali (Rudi International)*
*Agenda followed:*
*1) Introductions 2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed
3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? Why
organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to be? 4)
Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? Agreement on
roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps *
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 14:53, Remmy Nweke <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com"><remmyn@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Thanks
A better option.
Regards
Remmy Nweke
On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 18:57 Sheetal Kumar <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org"><sheetal@gp-digital.org></a>
wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear all,
I am writing here on behalf of the thirteen members of IGC and/or
Bestbits which met on June 11, day 0 of RightsCon in Tunis to take forward
our discussion on how to better coordinate civil society efforts (see
agenda & participants at bottom of this email). Please see our proposal
below.
Following a discussion of the history of coordination efforts from
those who had been involved in the early set up of the IGC, and a
discussion of what is needed to address challenges to information sharing &
coordination, those present agreed that the proposal for combining, or
consolidating, efforts should be taken forward (this was one of the four
options suggested in a survey to Bestbits members earlier this year - see
attached). This discussion also draws on and continues a series of online
conversations facilitated by members of IGC and Bestbits, which you can see
a summary of here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture">https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture</a>. There was a
need identified for more streamlined information sharing and expectation
that opportunities to collaborate around common priorities or issues will
arise from more structured and streamlined information sharing. It was also
agreed that the current IGC Charter could form a basis for a future
document but that it should be revisited and a more lightweight and general
framework should be developed.
Therefore, the group proposes that those interested in civil society
coordination efforts related to the original vision of the IGC Charter (see
attached), join the IGC and that Bestbits is closed, with an automatic
response instituted for those posting on Bestbits, redirecting them to join
IGC. Within IGC, following this merger, we propose that those interested
form a small drafting group to draft a revised and more lightweight version
of the Charter. Those present also agreed to work towards the organisation
of a day 0 event before the global IGF this year in Berlin, in concert with
German civil society groups. The day 0 event will be dedicated to
finalising the revised Charter and sharing updates on relevant global
processes (the UN High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation & the UN First
Committee processes on cybersecurity).
If you have strong concerns or if you oppose the merger proposal as
outlined above, please share your perspectives by *05 July*. Should
there be no objections, we suggest the process as outlined is implemented
after July 05. If you have any questions at all about the process so far,
please do get in touch with us.
Participants: Leena Romppainen (Effi), Gayatri Khandhadai (APC), Pavitra
Ramanujam (APC), Sheetal Kumar (GPD), Anriette Esterhuysen (APC),
Milton Mueller (Georgia Tech), Jamila Venturini (Derechos Digitales), Peter
Micek (Access Now), Rafik Dammak, Bruna Martins dos Santos (Coding Rights),
Nadira Alaraj, Bach Avezdjanov (Columbia Global Freedom of
Expression), Arsene Tungali (Rudi International)
Agenda followed:
1) Introductions
2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed
3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it?
Why organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to
be?
4) Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee?
Agreement on roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps
--
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 16:36, Sheetal Kumar <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org"><sheetal@gp-digital.org></a>
wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear all,
Looking forward to seeing those of you who can make it to our
meeting in Tunis tomorrow.
If you're attending to come but haven't yet let me know, please
drop me a line if you can.
Please find the details below:
*Where:* Room DOUGGA on Tuesday, June 11th from 9am-12:30pm
*Why/Aims/intended outcome:*
-
*Agreed next steps for organising a day 0 event *
*What/the agenda: *
*1) Introductions (15 minutes)*
*2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed (15 minutes)*
*3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it?
Why organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to
be? (1-1.5 hours)*
*4) Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee?
Agreement on roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps (45
minutes) *
Do let me know if you have any questions!
Best
*Best*
*Sheetal.*
On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 10:24, Sheetal Kumar <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org"><sheetal@gp-digital.org></a>
wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear all,
Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to
plan the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below:
- Room Dougga
- June 11, *9am-12:30pm *
- Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia
If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be
part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet
before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed
interest in this effort so I can add you to that too.
Hope to see many of you soon!
Best
Sheetal.
--
On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar <
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>> wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear all,
Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies
off-thread expressing interest in the effort.
@Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at
the RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not! Will you
be at RightsCon?
On the way forward:
- Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like
to attend that first meeting as there is limited space but of course we'd
like to accommodate everyone who can attend
- If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then
please do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone updated and
you can input into the meeting agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we
have good wifi)
Best
Sheetal.
On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov <
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ba2482@columbia.edu">ba2482@columbia.edu</a>> wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear all,
Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could inquire
if we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes place.
Please let me know.
Bach Avezdjanov
Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ba2482@columbia.edu">ba2482@columbia.edu</a>
Phone: 212 854 1591
Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE"><https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE></a>
Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/"><https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/></a>
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*From:* <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a> [mailto:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] *On Behalf Of *Lee W
McKnight
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
*To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi
Peter Taiwo; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net>">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net></a> <
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; governance; Sheetal Kumar
*Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on
the future of Bestbits: next steps
Hi,
Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in
Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and the DC on
Internet Principles had a joint meeting to discuss overlaps; we left with a
Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led
to the creation and translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and
Principles among other positive outcomes.
So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of
this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize also the
cross-CS coordination right?
Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and
methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty meeting feel (at
times to this prof).
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*From:* <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a> <
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org"><sheetal@gp-digital.org></a>
*Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
*To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian
muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net>">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net></a>
< <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; governance
*Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on
the future of Bestbits: next steps
Dear all
Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of
those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants
here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture">https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture</a>),
see below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going
forward.
- IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a
day 0 event at IGF
- Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal
steering committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as
'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation
of the event however they see fit
- Members of other lists are invited to join once an
informal agenda has been put together
- Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this
effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of
focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already
been proposed)
Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like
we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree
that the discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global
level coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting
together an agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to
these efforts.
Please provide your views on this.
Best
Sheetal.
On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar <
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>> wrote:
Dear all,
Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the
recording I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary
at the top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should
provide an overview of what we discussed: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture">https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture</a>
In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions
about civil society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the
call reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to
work together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and
discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported
exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the
mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call
mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage
and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore,
we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward.
We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC
would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant
of the limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put
something short together and then to share it with you for your feedback
before sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple
proposal to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the
call wants to chime in with more information please do.
If you have any questions, please do let us know!
Best
Sheetal.
On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen <
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tapani.tarvainen@effi.org">tapani.tarvainen@effi.org</a>> wrote:
I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will
report on the meeting.
Regards,
--
Tapani Tarvainen
On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>) wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear all,
This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">an hour at 1
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">PM UTC (see the link below).
Looking forward to speaking to you then!
Best
Sheetal.
Meeting room details
*Meeting URL*
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info">https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info</a>
Meeting ID
524 189 381
Want to dial in from a phone?
Dial one of the following numbers:
+1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
+1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
(see all numbers - <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers">https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers</a>)
Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
Connecting from a room system?
Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID &
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">passcode
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On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>> wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear all
As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">*Wednesday,
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further
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Looking forward to speaking to you then!
Best
Sheetal.
Meeting room details
*Meeting URL*
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info">https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info</a>
Meeting ID
524 189 381
Want to dial in from a phone?
Dial one of the following numbers:
+1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
+1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
(see all numbers - <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers">https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers</a>
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Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
Connecting from a room system?
Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID &
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">passcode
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Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">around
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">improving coordination are welcome so please share with
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Suggested agenda
1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of
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I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org
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I think what was agreed was that the survey should be
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@Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some
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Regards.
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Sivasubramanian M
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It's been really great to see the level of engagement
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I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda.
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Thank you very much to those who completed the
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On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
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Looking forward to hearing your views!
Best
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Looking forward to speaking to you then!
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*Bestbits call: Future pathways *
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*Online Meeting room: *
To join the Meeting:
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Best wishes for 2019
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