[governance] [bestbits] Fw:_[Igfregionals]_Fw:_[IGFmag
parminder
parminder at itforchange.net
Mon Jan 22 04:50:36 EST 2018
On Sunday 21 January 2018 10:49 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro wrote:
> Hi all
>
> There is a follow-up message by Lynn to this discussion over here
>
> http://intgovforum.org/pipermail/igfmaglist_intgovforum.org/2018-January/013483.html
So, the use of "I/ IGF has been invited" was incorrect.... There is no
invitation to the IGF.......
She could also clarify what she meant by "two way collaboration between
the WEF and IGF" as mentioned in the previous email..... Could this
important clarification also be got. thanks... parmider
>
> Best,
>
> Renata
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 1:27 PM, Ayden Férdeline <ayden at ferdeline.com
> <mailto:ayden at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi, all-
>
> Without commenting on any of the previous messages, I just thought
> I'd share this post that I saw on AccessNow's webpage today. It
> seems they will be at Davos bringing a civil society perspective
> to some of the issues that many of us on this mailing list care
> about. It seems possible to provide input into the ideas and
> priorities that AccessNow will be taking to the leaders in Davos:
>
> https://www.accessnow.org/help-shape-message-will-take-leaders-world-economic-forum
> <https://www.accessnow.org/help-shape-message-will-take-leaders-world-economic-forum>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Ayden Férdeline
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On 21 January 2018 2:55 PM, David Allen
> <David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu
> <mailto:David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>
>> Excerpted –
>>
>> Parminder wrote:
>>
>> From outreach action for IGF I normally understand MAG chair
>> and members letting know other stakeholders, including
>> perhaps at specific meetings attended for this purpose, the
>> nature of IGF, its deliberations, etc and encouraging wider
>> participation from new groups...
>>
>>
>> Renata then says:
>>
>> Exactly what the WEF will hear: What is the IGF, why be
>> involved, why are the outcomes of the IGF important.
>>
>>
>> As Parminder has previously pointed out, a great deal more than
>> this is mooted to occur. As such, the above is not – yet –
>> responsive.
>>
>> Renata:
>>
>> As a reminder: the MAG Chair is not representing Civil
>> Society only.
>>
>>
>> Again, this does not address all the posts about "representation"
>> and appropriate procedure.
>>
>>
>> More generally, tone can sometimes convey more even than text.
>>
>> Put most gently: The essence is to know, and convey by tone,
>> that those in responsible positions serve the constituency – not
>> the other way around. (Rather than dismissive 'proclamations,')
>> a seeking for consensus, thoughtfully, gently, is the mark of
>> actual, potentially respected leadership.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> "Renata Aquino Ribeiro" <raquino at gmail.com
>> <mailto:raquino at gmail.com>>
>>
>> To:
>> "parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net
>> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>>
>> Cc:
>> "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>> <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>> <"
>> <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>> <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>>,
>> <governance at lists.riseup.net
>> <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>>
>> Sent:
>> Sat, 20 Jan 2018 20:24:06 -0300
>> Subject:
>> Re: [governance] [bestbits] Fw:_[Igfregionals]_Fw:_[IGFmag
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Parminder >>>From outreach action for IGF I normally
>> understand MAG chair and members letting know other
>> stakeholders, including perhaps at specific meetings attended
>> for this purpose, the nature of IGF, its deliberations, etc
>> and encouraging wider participation from new groups...
>>
>> Exactly what the WEF will hear: What is the IGF, why be
>> involved, why are the outcomes of the IGF important.
>>
>> Not the 1st year a MAG Chair goes to WEF and other MAG
>> members participate on it too.
>>
>> Other MAG members have also participated in World Social
>> Forum and other venues.
>>
>> As a reminder: the MAG Chair is not representing Civil
>> Society only. She came from the technical community but as
>> MAG Chair outreaches to all stakeholders to be involved in
>> IGF, as there should be a balance of stakeholders participating.
>>
>> On Chris question if this is an invite to MAG Chair only -
>> yes and it is the opening of a space to IGF. We should ask
>> for more spaces for IGF and more invites, more stakeholder
>> dialogue and not less.
>>
>> On Deirdre's suggestion of communicating with MAG Chair, it
>> is a very valid suggestion. The MAG list is open archives.
>> Once an announcement is posted there, it is public, whether
>> or not forwarded to other lists.
>>
>> I am sure that Lynn would welcome your suggestions as IGF
>> community and IGF itself has a Taking Stock process announced
>> on the 1st page receiving contributions until 11feb.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Renata
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 2:44 PM,
>> parminder <parminder at itforchange.net
>> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Renata
>>
>> From outreach action for IGF I normally understand MAG
>> chair and members letting know other stakeholders,
>> including perhaps at specific meetings attended for this
>> purpose, the nature of IGF, its deliberations, etc and
>> encouraging wider participation from new groups...
>>
>> I do not understand from IGF outreach, from what I
>> understand about the IGF, for MAG chair to go to policy
>> or related forums, representing IGF, and speaking on
>> substantive policy issues, which one cannot do without
>> giving specific views. However, if this is your view of
>> IGF outreach as a MAG member, I will like to discuss, and
>> contest, it.
>>
>> As you would notice from the email from MAG chair, she
>> mentions about speaking, by all indications as IGF MAG
>> chair, and representing the IGF, at substantive sessions,
>> and indeed chairing co-chairing an WEF initiative....
>> Further, i see mention of "two collaboration between the
>> WEG and IGF's major policy initiatives ".... I had no
>> idea any such collaboration existed. Can MAG members
>> confirm it....
>>
>> Also, pl confirm if these are considered IGF outreach
>> activities, and legitimate roles for the IGF and some
>> people representing them. I request a clear response.
>>
>> And who funds participation and other aspects of these
>> activities, the IGF, ( i know that is very unlikely) ,
>> private funds of the involved people, or the WEF BECAUSE
>> it is the IGF, and co-branding helps? Again, please
>> provide this specific information.
>>
>> Lastly, has the IGF and its MAG ever considered doing
>> outreach to, say, the World Social Forum, the WEF
>> equivalent civil society space, or these outreaches are
>> only for the big business venues....
>>
>> Thanks, parminder
>>
>>
>> On Friday 19 January 2018 08:25 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all
>>
>> This is an outreach action for IGF, same as in other
>> events such as WSIS.
>> I do not see how the IGF is modified by anything that
>> goes on in WEF, they are different spaces, with
>> different purposes.
>> The IGF activities are open to all who wish to
>> participate and propose investigative partnerships,
>> dialogues.
>> Those involved with the IGF have to integrate in the
>> dialogues the communities, to listen as many voices
>> as possible and bring them to be represented in
>> outcomes.
>> For that, outreach is done.
>>
>> (This is a personal opinion)
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Renata
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 11:02 AM, David
>> Allen <David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu
>> <mailto:David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> I strongly second Parminder.
>>
>> Lynn St.Amour is a highly qualified, experienced
>> member of this community who could contribute to
>> WEF appearing there on her own right. But,
>> invoking her position as chair of the IGF
>> management group, the MAG, violates all that has
>> been hammered out over long years. As Parminder
>> forthrightly notes.
>>
>> Most importantly perhaps, that can damage the IGF
>> mission – to be a neutral clearinghouse for what
>> are sometimes radically opposed views. True
>> neutrality requires being utterly faithful to
>> process of evenhandedness, so ensuring
>> diametrically opposed views feel equally
>> comfortable in the dialogue – so, NOT taking a
>> position.
>>
>> Not to mention the violation of structural
>> arrangements.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> "parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net
>> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>>
>>
>> To:
>> <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>> <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>>
>> Cc:
>>
>> Sent:
>> Fri, 19 Jan 2018 18:41:39 +0530
>> Subject:
>> Fw:_[Igfregionals]_Fw:_[IGFmag
>>
>>
>>
>> I really did not know that IGF had its own
>> agency to represent itself at other forums.
>> Whom does it really represent? Because when
>> you represent, you also speak for. For whom
>> does the it speak, and on what basis? .. That
>> is a mission creep which has been done
>> without consulting or even declaring....
>>
>> IGF is not even an agency like the WTO which
>> has a certain substantive beinghood .....
>> Even WTO's going to WEF and making programs
>> with WTO have been criticised (see for
>> instance http://www.twn.my/title2/wto.info/2017/ti171233.htm
>> <http://www.twn.my/title2/wto.info/2017/ti171233.htm> ).
>> I remember that when the WEF centric
>> Netmundial Initiative was formed the IGF was
>> invited to join it, but a view was taken that
>> the IGF is not a substantive agency/
>> organisation to represent any substantive
>> view etc to be a part of such an
>> initiative.... So, why is "the IGF" going to
>> WEF now, and "representing the IGF" ......
>> MAG is a program management committee, and it
>> has no role beyond organising the IGF. This
>> has been clarified many time.... (In fact
>> even when some of us wanted to give a more
>> substantive role to the IGF, as part of CSTG
>> WG on IGF improvements, some of those who are
>> now associated with representing the IGF
>> opposed such a role.)
>>
>> MAG Chair DOES NOT represent the IGF in any way.
>>
>> I dont accept such a representational role. I
>> will request the CS members of the MAG to
>> explain this to me.
>>
>> thanks, parminder
>>
>>
>> On Friday 19 January 2018 06:05 PM, Imran
>> Ahmed Shah (via bestbits Mailing List) wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>> Just to share an announcement from the
>> MAG Chair on representing the IGF at the
>> 2018 World Economic Forum Annual Meeting
>> in Davos, where the theme of the year
>> is "Creating a Shared Future in a
>> Fractured World”. Might be interested for
>> you.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Imran Ahmed Shah
>>
>>
>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> *From:* Anja GENGO <AGENGO at unog.ch>
>> <mailto:AGENGO at unog.ch>
>> *To:* "igfregionals at intgovforum.org"
>> <mailto:igfregionals at intgovforum.org> <igfregionals at intgovforum.org>
>> <mailto:igfregionals at intgovforum.org>
>> *Sent:* Friday, 19 January 2018, 17:06
>> *Subject:* [Igfregionals] Fw:
>> [IGFmaglist] World Economic Forum - Davos
>> 2018 "Creating a Shared Future in a
>> Fractured World”
>>
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> Please see below an announcement from the
>> MAG Chair on representing the IGF at the
>> 2018 World Economic Forum Annual Meeting
>> in Davos.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Anja
>>
>>
>> -----Forwarded by Anja GENGO/UNOG/GVA/UNO
>> on 01/19/2018 01:00PM -----
>> To: IGF
>> Maglist <Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>> <mailto:Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>> From: "Lynn St.Amour"
>> Sent by: "Igfmaglist"
>> Date: 01/18/2018 08:50PM
>> Subject: [IGFmaglist] World Economic
>> Forum - Davos 2018 "Creating a Shared
>> Future in a Fractured World”
>>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> I am writing to you as I/the IGF have
>> been invited to participate in the World
>> Economic Forum Annual Meeting in Davos.
>> This year the theme is: "Creating a
>> Shared Future in a Fractured World”.
>> Note: There is a guide on how to
>> follow/“participate” in Davos here:
>> https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/12/how-to-follow-davos-2018/
>> <https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/12/how-to-follow-davos-2018/>
>> And, there is an ongoing stream of
>> content on digital issues, including an
>> interesting interactive map available
>> through the first panel
>> here: https://www.weforum.org/system-initiatives/shaping-the-future-of-digital-economy-and-society/articles
>> <https://www.weforum.org/system-initiatives/shaping-the-future-of-digital-economy-and-society/articles>
>>
>> In 2017, the IGF Secretariat, the CENB
>> facilitators, some DCs, and I (as IGF MAG
>> Chair) participated in various World
>> Economic Forum (WEF) meetings/conference
>> calls. Many were connected to Access
>> and their “Internet For All” projects,
>> but others were connected to IoT, and
>> Networks as Platforms, to name only a
>> few. WEF activities in relevant areas
>> (where we were aware of them) were
>> flagged to the NRIs, DCs, etc. In
>> addition, for several years there has
>> been a two-way collaboration between the
>> WEF and the IGF major policy initiative
>> (IGF Policy Options for Connecting and
>> Enabling the Next Billion(s)).
>>
>> As mentioned during previous MAG
>> meetings, I was also asked to Co-Chair
>> the Stewardship Board for a WEF
>> Initiative called “Digital Economy and
>> Society” (DES). This Stewardship Board
>> is convened annually during the World
>> Economic Forum Annual Meeting in Davos.
>> Per the WEF this initiative provides an
>> opportunity to develop a shared vision
>> for a sustainable, inclusive, and
>> trustworthy digital future and priorities
>> for collaborative action. In
>> particular, the initiative seeks to align
>> and accelerate progress around six shared
>> global outcomes:
>>
>> 1. Access & Adoption: All people
>> (without differences in geography, gender
>> or income) can access and use the internet
>> 2. Responsible Digital
>> Transformation: Business, government and
>> civil society leaders act responsibly and
>> competently to usher in a sustainable
>> digital transformation
>> 3. Fit for purpose, informed
>> governance: Global, regional, national
>> policies are informed by evidence and
>> well-equipped to deal with the
>> transnational nature of digital connectivity
>> 4. Secure & resilient people,
>> processes & practices: All individuals,
>> institutions and infrastructure are
>> resilient to vulnerabilities created by
>> increasing digital connectivity
>> 5. Robust, interoperable digital
>> Identities: All people can access and use
>> integrated, inclusive, trusted digital
>> identity regimes that enhance their
>> social and economic well being
>> 6. Benefits from data sharing while
>> respecting privacy: Individuals and
>> institutions can share data in ways that
>> create social and economic value while
>> respecting the privacy of fellow digital
>> citizens
>>
>> James Smith, President & CEO, Thomson
>> Reuters is the other Co-Chair, and
>> together, we will be facilitating the
>> Stewardship Board Meeting at Davos this
>> year. To the extent that there are
>> activities that are aligned and that you
>> wish to highlight we would welcome
>> hearing them.
>>
>> I am also moderating or speaking at
>> various panels during Davos and will be
>> reflecting IGF activities, value, values
>> and principles. Some of the sessions:
>> - Strategic Outlook: Digital Economy
>> - BroadBand Commission - Internet For All
>> session
>> - Trustworthy Data: The Foundation of
>> Innovation
>>
>> There are many common topics of interest
>> and everyone is encouraged to share view
>> points/submit questions, so please see
>> the link below for social media info.,
>> etc. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/12/how-to-follow-davos-2018/
>> <https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/12/how-to-follow-davos-2018/>
>>
>> Note: I am sending this note to last
>> years MAG (noting the 2018 MAG and MAG
>> Chair are not yet formally constituted).
>> I am also asking the secretariat to
>> forward this note to the NRIs, DCs, CENB,
>> etc. and to note this on the IGF website
>> in order to get the broadest distribution
>> possible.
>>
>> Very much look forward to your
>> contributions,
>>
>> Best,
>> Lynn
>>
>>
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