[governance] [bestbits] Fw:_[Igfregionals]_Fw:_[IGFmag

Renata Aquino Ribeiro raquino at gmail.com
Sun Jan 21 12:19:35 EST 2018 

Hi all

There is a follow-up message by Lynn to this discussion over here

http://intgovforum.org/pipermail/igfmaglist_intgovforum.org/2018-January/013483.html

Best,

Renata


On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 1:27 PM, Ayden Férdeline <ayden at ferdeline.com>
wrote:

> Hi, all-
>
> Without commenting on any of the previous messages, I just thought I'd
> share this post that I saw on AccessNow's webpage today. It seems they will
> be at Davos bringing a civil society perspective to some of the issues that
> many of us on this mailing list care about. It seems possible to provide
> input into the ideas and priorities that AccessNow will be taking to the
> leaders in Davos:
>
> https://www.accessnow.org/help-shape-message-will-take-
> leaders-world-economic-forum
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Ayden Férdeline
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On 21 January 2018 2:55 PM, David Allen <David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Excerpted –
>
> Parminder wrote:
>
> From outreach action for IGF I normally understand MAG chair and members
> letting know other stakeholders, including perhaps at specific meetings
> attended for this purpose, the nature of IGF, its deliberations, etc and
> encouraging wider participation from new groups...
>
>
> Renata then says:
>
> Exactly what the WEF will hear: What is the IGF, why be involved, why are
> the outcomes of the IGF important.
>
>
> As Parminder has previously pointed out, a great deal more than this is
> mooted to occur.  As such, the above is not – yet – responsive.
>
> Renata:
>
> As a reminder: the MAG Chair is not representing Civil Society only.
>
>
> Again, this does not address all the posts about "representation" and
> appropriate procedure.
>
>
> More generally, tone can sometimes convey more even than text.
>
> Put most gently:  The essence is to know, and convey by tone, that those
> in responsible positions serve the constituency – not the other way around.
>  (Rather than dismissive 'proclamations,') a seeking for consensus,
> thoughtfully, gently, is the mark of actual, potentially respected
> leadership.
>
> David
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
>  "Renata Aquino Ribeiro" <raquino at gmail.com>
>
> To:
> "parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net>
> Cc:
> "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt" <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>, <
> governance at lists.riseup.net>
> Sent:
> Sat, 20 Jan 2018 20:24:06 -0300
> Subject:
> Re: [governance] [bestbits] Fw:_[Igfregionals]_Fw:_[IGFmag
>
>
> Hi
>
> Parminder >>>From outreach action for IGF I normally understand MAG chair
> and members letting know other stakeholders, including perhaps at specific
> meetings attended for this purpose, the nature of IGF, its deliberations,
> etc and encouraging wider participation from new groups...
>
> Exactly what the WEF will hear: What is the IGF, why be involved, why are
> the outcomes of the IGF important.
>
> Not the 1st year a MAG Chair goes to WEF and other MAG members participate
> on it too.
>
> Other MAG members have also participated in World Social Forum and other
> venues.
>
> As a reminder: the MAG Chair is not representing Civil Society only. She
> came from the technical community but as MAG Chair outreaches to all
> stakeholders to be involved in IGF, as there should be a balance of
> stakeholders participating.
>
> On Chris question if this is an invite to MAG Chair only - yes and it is
> the opening of a space to IGF. We should ask for more spaces for IGF and
> more invites, more stakeholder dialogue and not less.
>
> On Deirdre's suggestion of communicating with MAG Chair, it is a very
> valid suggestion. The MAG list is open archives. Once an announcement is
> posted there, it is public, whether or not forwarded to other lists.
>
> I am sure that Lynn would welcome your suggestions as IGF community and
> IGF itself has a Taking Stock process announced on the 1st page receiving
> contributions until 11feb.
>
> Best,
>
> Renata
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 2:44 PM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
>  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Renata
>>
>> From outreach action for IGF I normally understand MAG chair and members
>> letting know other stakeholders, including perhaps at specific meetings
>> attended for this purpose, the nature of IGF, its deliberations, etc and
>> encouraging wider participation from new groups...
>>
>> I do not understand from IGF outreach, from what I understand about the
>> IGF, for MAG chair to go to policy or related forums, representing IGF, and
>> speaking on substantive policy issues, which one cannot do without giving
>> specific views. However, if this is your view of IGF outreach as a MAG
>> member, I will like to discuss, and contest, it.
>>
>> As you would notice from the email from MAG chair, she mentions about
>> speaking, by all indications as IGF MAG chair, and representing the IGF, at
>> substantive sessions, and indeed chairing co-chairing an WEF initiative....
>> Further, i see mention of "two collaboration between the WEG and IGF's
>> major policy initiatives ".... I had no idea any such collaboration
>> existed. Can MAG members confirm it....
>>
>> Also, pl confirm if these are considered IGF outreach activities, and
>> legitimate roles for the IGF and some people representing them. I request a
>> clear response.
>>
>> And who funds participation and other aspects of these activities, the
>> IGF, ( i know that is very unlikely) , private funds of the involved
>> people, or the WEF BECAUSE it is the IGF, and co-branding helps? Again,
>> please provide this specific information.
>>
>> Lastly, has the IGF and its MAG ever considered doing outreach to, say,
>> the World Social Forum, the WEF equivalent civil society space, or these
>> outreaches are only for the big business venues....
>>
>> Thanks, parminder
>>
>> On Friday 19 January 2018 08:25 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro wrote:
>>
>> Dear all
>>
>> This is an outreach action for IGF, same as in other events such as WSIS.
>> I do not see how the IGF is modified by anything that goes on in WEF,
>> they are different spaces, with different purposes.
>> The IGF activities are open to all who wish to participate and propose
>> investigative partnerships, dialogues.
>> Those involved with the IGF have to integrate in the dialogues the
>> communities, to listen as many voices as possible and bring them to be
>> represented in outcomes.
>> For that, outreach is done.
>>
>> (This is a personal opinion)
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Renata
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 11:02 AM, David Allen <David_Allen_AB63 at post.
>> harvard.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I strongly second Parminder.
>>>
>>> Lynn St.Amour is a highly qualified, experienced member of this
>>> community who could contribute to WEF appearing there on her own right.
>>> But, invoking her position as chair of the IGF management group, the MAG,
>>> violates all that has been hammered out over long years. As Parminder
>>> forthrightly notes.
>>>
>>> Most importantly perhaps, that can damage the IGF mission – to be a
>>> neutral clearinghouse for what are sometimes radically opposed views. True
>>> neutrality requires being utterly faithful to process of evenhandedness, so
>>> ensuring diametrically opposed views feel equally comfortable in the
>>> dialogue – so, NOT taking a position.
>>>
>>> Not to mention the violation of structural arrangements.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>>   "parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net>
>>>
>>> To:
>>>  <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>>> Cc:
>>>
>>> Sent:
>>>  Fri, 19 Jan 2018 18:41:39 +0530
>>> Subject:
>>>  Fw:_[Igfregionals]_Fw:_[IGFmag
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I really did not know that IGF had its own agency to represent itself at
>>> other forums. Whom does it really represent? Because when you represent,
>>> you also speak for. For whom does the it speak, and on what basis? .. That
>>> is a mission creep which has been done without consulting or even
>>> declaring....
>>>
>>> IGF is not even an agency like the WTO which has a certain substantive
>>> beinghood ..... Even WTO's going to WEF and making programs with WTO have
>>> been criticised (see for instance http://www.twn.my/
>>> title2/wto.info/2017/ti171233.htm ). I remember that when the WEF
>>> centric Netmundial Initiative was formed the IGF was invited to join it,
>>> but a view was taken that the IGF is not a substantive agency/ organisation
>>> to represent any substantive view etc to be a part of such an
>>> initiative.... So, why is "the IGF" going to WEF now, and "representing the
>>> IGF" ...... MAG is a program management committee, and it has no role
>>> beyond organising the IGF. This has been clarified many time.... (In fact
>>> even when some of us wanted to give a more substantive role to the IGF, as
>>> part of CSTG WG on IGF improvements, some of those who are now associated
>>> with representing the IGF opposed such a role.)
>>>
>>> MAG Chair DOES NOT represent the IGF in any way.
>>>
>>> I dont accept such a representational role. I will request the CS
>>> members of the MAG to explain this to me.
>>>
>>> thanks, parminder
>>>
>>> On Friday 19 January 2018 06:05 PM, Imran Ahmed Shah (via bestbits
>>> Mailing List) wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>> Just to share an announcement from the MAG Chair on representing the IGF
>>> at the 2018 World Economic Forum Annual Meeting in Davos, where the theme
>>> of the year is "Creating a Shared Future in a Fractured World”. Might
>>> be interested for you.
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>>
>>> Imran Ahmed Shah
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>>> *From:* Anja GENGO <AGENGO at unog.ch> <AGENGO at unog.ch>
>>> *To:* "igfregionals at intgovforum.org" <igfregionals at intgovforum.org>
>>> <igfregionals at intgovforum.org> <igfregionals at intgovforum.org>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 19 January 2018, 17:06
>>> *Subject:* [Igfregionals] Fw: [IGFmaglist] World Economic Forum - Davos
>>> 2018 "Creating a Shared Future in a Fractured World”
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>
>>> Please see below an announcement from the MAG Chair on representing the
>>> IGF at the 2018 World Economic Forum Annual Meeting in Davos.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Anja
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Forwarded by Anja GENGO/UNOG/GVA/UNO on 01/19/2018 01:00PM -----
>>> To: IGF Maglist <Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>>> <Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>>> From: "Lynn St.Amour"
>>> Sent by: "Igfmaglist"
>>> Date: 01/18/2018 08:50PM
>>> Subject: [IGFmaglist] World Economic Forum - Davos 2018 "Creating a
>>> Shared Future in a Fractured World”
>>>
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>
>>> I am writing to you as I/the IGF have been invited to participate in the
>>> World Economic Forum Annual Meeting in Davos.   This year the theme is:
>>> "Creating a Shared Future in a Fractured World”.    Note: There is a guide
>>> on how to follow/“participate” in Davos here:  https://www.weforum.org/
>>> agenda/2017/12/how-to-follow-davos-2018/    And, there is an ongoing
>>> stream of content on digital issues, including an interesting interactive
>>> map available through the first panel here: https://www.weforum.org/
>>> system-initiatives/shaping-the-future-of-digital-economy-
>>> and-society/articles
>>>
>>> In 2017,  the IGF Secretariat, the CENB facilitators, some DCs, and I
>>> (as IGF MAG Chair) participated in various World Economic Forum (WEF)
>>> meetings/conference calls.   Many were connected to Access and their
>>> “Internet For All” projects, but others were connected to IoT, and Networks
>>> as Platforms, to name only a few.    WEF activities in relevant areas
>>> (where we were aware of them) were flagged to the NRIs, DCs, etc.   In
>>> addition, for several years there has been a two-way collaboration between
>>> the WEF and the IGF major policy initiative (IGF Policy Options for
>>> Connecting and Enabling the Next Billion(s)).
>>>
>>> As mentioned during previous MAG meetings,  I was also asked to Co-Chair
>>> the Stewardship Board for a WEF Initiative called “Digital Economy and
>>> Society” (DES).    This Stewardship Board is convened annually during the
>>> World Economic Forum Annual Meeting in Davos.  Per the WEF this initiative
>>> provides an opportunity to develop a shared vision for a sustainable,
>>> inclusive, and trustworthy digital future and priorities for collaborative
>>> action.   In particular, the initiative seeks to align and accelerate
>>> progress around six shared global outcomes:
>>>
>>> 1.     Access & Adoption: All people (without differences in geography,
>>> gender or income) can access and use the internet
>>> 2.     Responsible Digital Transformation: Business, government and
>>> civil society leaders act responsibly and competently to usher in a
>>> sustainable digital transformation
>>> 3.     Fit for purpose, informed governance: Global, regional, national
>>> policies are informed by evidence and well-equipped to deal with the
>>> transnational nature of digital connectivity
>>> 4.     Secure & resilient people, processes & practices: All
>>> individuals, institutions and infrastructure are resilient to
>>> vulnerabilities created by increasing digital connectivity
>>> 5.     Robust, interoperable digital Identities: All people can access
>>> and use integrated, inclusive, trusted digital identity regimes that
>>> enhance their social and economic well being
>>> 6.     Benefits from data sharing while respecting privacy: Individuals
>>> and institutions can share data in ways that create social and economic
>>> value while respecting the privacy of fellow digital citizens
>>>
>>> James Smith, President & CEO, Thomson Reuters is the other Co-Chair, and
>>> together, we will be facilitating the Stewardship Board Meeting at Davos
>>> this year.   To the extent that there are activities that are aligned and
>>> that you wish to highlight we would welcome hearing them.
>>>
>>> I am also moderating or speaking at various panels during Davos and will
>>> be reflecting IGF activities, value, values and principles.  Some of the
>>> sessions:
>>> - Strategic Outlook: Digital Economy
>>> - BroadBand Commission - Internet For All session
>>> - Trustworthy Data: The Foundation of Innovation
>>>
>>> There are many common topics of interest and everyone is encouraged to
>>> share view points/submit questions, so please see the link below for social
>>> media info., etc. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/12/how-to-follow-
>>> davos-2018/
>>>
>>> Note: I am sending this note to last years MAG (noting the 2018 MAG and
>>> MAG Chair are not yet formally constituted).  I am also asking  the
>>> secretariat to forward this note to the NRIs, DCs, CENB, etc. and to note
>>> this on the IGF website in order to get the broadest distribution possible.
>>>
>>> Very much look forward to your contributions,
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Lynn
>>>
>>>
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