[governance] [bestbits] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best Bits

Thu Dec 20 22:36:04 EST 2018

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 8:16 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com <
ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

> Hi Arsene,
>
> Mergers are difficult and imagine that both sides
>

Are there two sides, two groups really?  There have been been differences,
as naturally occur, perhaps one or two vocal discussions with noticeable
differences, but why see two sides ?  If BB folds into IGC, IGC may not be
one one 'side', but be an Umbrella for multiple civil society participants
to bring multiple views to the same table so as to find common positions
wherever and whenever possible, to be taken to larger fora as Civil Society
position on various IG issues.

Sivasubramanian M

> are going to have to change structurally so that they can work together.
> Both organisations have working rules and practices, changing both sets
> will be complex and I think unnecessary.
>
> My opinion is that, in this case, BB should just decide to fold - and in
> doing so, encourage its members to join IGC if they are not already
> involved.
>
> That's a lot simpler and leaves IGC intact and continuing as an umbrella
> groups for civil society involvement in internet governance.
>
> (Best Bits copied in). Just suggesting this because I think it is a lot
> easier.
>
> Ian Peter
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Arsène Tungali" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> To: "Mueller, Milton L" <milton at gatech.edu>
> Cc: "Farzaneh Badiei" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>; "
> governance at lists.riseup.net" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> Sent: 21/12/2018 9:12:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best Bits
>
> Milton, i think i tried to explain why i was suggesting that. Sorry if
> that was not clear. The reason is simple: we agreed to take time to discuss
> the merger issue within the two groups separately. So, if we Cc both lists
> that means to me we are not doing separately anymore. That’s my
> understanding and i may be wrong.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 20 Dec 2018, at 23:32, Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu> wrote:
>
> Why segregate the discussions, Arsene?
> I don't understand that. It merely perpetuates the problem of a fragmented
> and uncoordinated civil society!
>
> --MM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: governance-request at lists.riseup.net [mailto:governance-
> request at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Arsène Tungali
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:32 AM
> To: Farzaneh Badiei <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> Cc: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>;
> governance <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> Subject: Re: [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best Bits
>
> Farzaneh, all,
>
> While we are still discussing and I do appreciate the discussion, may I
> please
> suggest we keep discussions separate in each specific group?
> As I said in my original email, the issue of a merger should be discussed
> SEPARATELY at the IGC and Best Bits lists.
>
> Each group needs to have an internal discussion.
>
> So, please do not Cc both groups when communicating. Some members are
> on both lists and have posting rights on both but others don't, this may
> lead
> to having fragmented pieces of emails when everyone is responding.
>
> Hope this makes sense.
>
> Thanks,
> Arsene
>
> 2018-12-17 23:33 UTC+02:00, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>:
>
> Thanks Arsene.
>
> We need to decide on merging IGC and BestBits. The suggestion comes
> from the fact that we have not been active much during the past year.
> Also fragmented efforts are a strain on resources. Having multiple
> elections and multiple groups to coordinate (with really minimal
> differences) and then not be active at all for a year is not really
>
> recommendable.
>
>
> De told us that apparently there is some kind of consensus method if I
> am not mistaken. De, is there a documented approach?
>
> I think the most important is to discuss why BestBits was created and
> whether the reasons still stand and how BestBits members feel about
> the merge. Maybe the ones with strong objections can be convinced,
>
> maybe not.
>
> Lets have the conversation. If we do not see a strong objection
> (multiple organizations, individuals object and give reasons as to why
> BestBits should remain even if dormant), then we can decide on the
> merge. If there are strong objections, then we will not go with the merge.
>
> From what I see from BestBits website, the following individuals are
> at the steering committee of BestBits:
>
>
> - Nighat Dad
> - Poncelet Ileleji
> - Renata Ribeiro
> - Dave Burstein
> - Imran Ahmed Shah [second term of election]
> - Antonella Perini [co-opted by committee]
>
> Besbits CSCG Representatives
>
> - Claudio Lucena Neto (2018-2019)
> - Sheetal Kumar (2017-2018)
>
>
> Does this list still stand? Do the steering committee members of
> BestBits and the reps on CSCG would like to weigh in?
>
> I know Sheetal was on the call. Would be good to hear from others.
>
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 9:00 AM Arsène Tungali
> <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> You have probably seen this already on a different thread but thought
> it well to have this discussion solely on the IGC list (as I expect
> Best Bits to do the same), that's why i started this thread hoping to
> hear from you on this important question.
>
> This need for merging was raised by some IGC members during a civil
> society call that had mostly IGC and Best Bits participants; many of
> whom are both IGC and Best Bits (BB) members. The call happened last
> week and Farzaneh offered to share the link to the recording.
>
> I will not go into much details about the rationale but would welcome
> anyone to weigh in and share their reasoning on whether or not we
> should merge both lists. We will need to also answer the question on
> how (who is doing what?) will this happen? Is the IGC going to become
> BB or the latter becoming IGC? Or are we working towards a different
> group where members of both groups will all be added?
>
> This brings back to my memory the whole hassle we had to migrate
> (SAVE?) this list and allow us to have this discussion list (which
> hasn't been quite active for a few months but where many feel safe to
> share IG related updates). So i hope we discuss and take into account
> the technical cost of the merging process (should it happen).
>
> I am also not sure how we will gauge consensus about this question on
> this list? Should we vote? How long do we take to decide? Should we
> consult IGC 'founders' or former Co-coordinators separately and ask
> them what they think?
>
> During the call, Bruna and I offered to have a decision by
> mid-January and we hope this is realistic given the holiday season.
> We will then report to the group.
>
> I just wanted to throw this all here and would REALLY appreciate a
> discussion that will help us move forward and come to a conclusion.
>
> Best regards,
> Arsene
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