[governance] [bestbits] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best Bits

Thu Dec 20 22:04:15 EST 2018

Dear all,
Sorry for my long-time silence.
As a past co-co of IGC, I feel a little compelled to put my thoughts here.

Honestly, I kind of reduced my personal interests around Internet
Governance issues, due to several factors.
I don't mean they are not important, but I see my very limited capacity to
affect, say, unlike 10-15 years ago, both global, national (in Japan), and
regional (in Asia Pacific).

As for the merger issue, first of all, thank you Arsene for bringing this
topic up.
I am more inclined to agree with Ian's suggestion. However, in this case,
it is up to BB members, not IGC, strictly speaking. I am also a member of
BB and would like to see how BB members think of this.

izumi

2018年12月21日(金) 11:46 ian.peter at ianpeter.com <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>:

> Hi Arsene,
>
> Mergers are difficult and imagine that both sides are going to have to
> change structurally so that they can work together. Both organisations have
> working rules and practices, changing both sets will be complex and I think
> unnecessary.
>
> My opinion is that, in this case, BB should just decide to fold - and in
> doing so, encourage its members to join IGC if they are not already
> involved.
>
> That's a lot simpler and leaves IGC intact and continuing as an umbrella
> groups for civil society involvement in internet governance.
>
> (Best Bits copied in). Just suggesting this because I think it is a lot
> easier.
>
> Ian Peter
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Arsène Tungali" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> To: "Mueller, Milton L" <milton at gatech.edu>
> Cc: "Farzaneh Badiei" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>; "
> governance at lists.riseup.net" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> Sent: 21/12/2018 9:12:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best Bits
>
> Milton, i think i tried to explain why i was suggesting that. Sorry if
> that was not clear. The reason is simple: we agreed to take time to discuss
> the merger issue within the two groups separately. So, if we Cc both lists
> that means to me we are not doing separately anymore. That’s my
> understanding and i may be wrong.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 20 Dec 2018, at 23:32, Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu> wrote:
>
> Why segregate the discussions, Arsene?
> I don't understand that. It merely perpetuates the problem of a fragmented
> and uncoordinated civil society!
>
> --MM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: governance-request at lists.riseup.net [mailto:governance-
> request at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Arsène Tungali
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:32 AM
> To: Farzaneh Badiei <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> Cc: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>;
> governance <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> Subject: Re: [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best Bits
>
> Farzaneh, all,
>
> While we are still discussing and I do appreciate the discussion, may I
> please
> suggest we keep discussions separate in each specific group?
> As I said in my original email, the issue of a merger should be discussed
> SEPARATELY at the IGC and Best Bits lists.
>
> Each group needs to have an internal discussion.
>
> So, please do not Cc both groups when communicating. Some members are
> on both lists and have posting rights on both but others don't, this may
> lead
> to having fragmented pieces of emails when everyone is responding.
>
> Hope this makes sense.
>
> Thanks,
> Arsene
>
> 2018-12-17 23:33 UTC+02:00, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>:
>
> Thanks Arsene.
>
> We need to decide on merging IGC and BestBits. The suggestion comes
> from the fact that we have not been active much during the past year.
> Also fragmented efforts are a strain on resources. Having multiple
> elections and multiple groups to coordinate (with really minimal
> differences) and then not be active at all for a year is not really
>
> recommendable.
>
>
> De told us that apparently there is some kind of consensus method if I
> am not mistaken. De, is there a documented approach?
>
> I think the most important is to discuss why BestBits was created and
> whether the reasons still stand and how BestBits members feel about
> the merge. Maybe the ones with strong objections can be convinced,
>
> maybe not.
>
> Lets have the conversation. If we do not see a strong objection
> (multiple organizations, individuals object and give reasons as to why
> BestBits should remain even if dormant), then we can decide on the
> merge. If there are strong objections, then we will not go with the merge.
>
> From what I see from BestBits website, the following individuals are
> at the steering committee of BestBits:
>
>
> - Nighat Dad
> - Poncelet Ileleji
> - Renata Ribeiro
> - Dave Burstein
> - Imran Ahmed Shah [second term of election]
> - Antonella Perini [co-opted by committee]
>
> Besbits CSCG Representatives
>
> - Claudio Lucena Neto (2018-2019)
> - Sheetal Kumar (2017-2018)
>
>
> Does this list still stand? Do the steering committee members of
> BestBits and the reps on CSCG would like to weigh in?
>
> I know Sheetal was on the call. Would be good to hear from others.
>
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 9:00 AM Arsène Tungali
> <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> You have probably seen this already on a different thread but thought
> it well to have this discussion solely on the IGC list (as I expect
> Best Bits to do the same), that's why i started this thread hoping to
> hear from you on this important question.
>
> This need for merging was raised by some IGC members during a civil
> society call that had mostly IGC and Best Bits participants; many of
> whom are both IGC and Best Bits (BB) members. The call happened last
> week and Farzaneh offered to share the link to the recording.
>
> I will not go into much details about the rationale but would welcome
> anyone to weigh in and share their reasoning on whether or not we
> should merge both lists. We will need to also answer the question on
> how (who is doing what?) will this happen? Is the IGC going to become
> BB or the latter becoming IGC? Or are we working towards a different
> group where members of both groups will all be added?
>
> This brings back to my memory the whole hassle we had to migrate
> (SAVE?) this list and allow us to have this discussion list (which
> hasn't been quite active for a few months but where many feel safe to
> share IG related updates). So i hope we discuss and take into account
> the technical cost of the merging process (should it happen).
>
> I am also not sure how we will gauge consensus about this question on
> this list? Should we vote? How long do we take to decide? Should we
> consult IGC 'founders' or former Co-coordinators separately and ask
> them what they think?
>
> During the call, Bruna and I offered to have a decision by
> mid-January and we hope this is realistic given the holiday season.
> We will then report to the group.
>
> I just wanted to throw this all here and would REALLY appreciate a
> discussion that will help us move forward and come to a conclusion.
>
> Best regards,
> Arsene
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