[governance] [JNC - Forum] After Microsoft now google calls for internationaldigital agreements

Mon Jul 3 10:35:50 EDT 2017

Thanks Ian for bringing this here at IGC as well and thanks Wolfgang for
your initial input. As civil society, i agree we should come up with a
position to deal with this issue or support this call from Google and
Microsoft. Be it built from the Netmundial documents or any other grounds,
we are calling for more thoughts from IGC members.

Ian, what do you suggest we should do as IGC?

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Arsene

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2017-07-02 15:12 GMT+02:00 Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>:

> Agreed Wolfgang - definitely something to refer to. But both the
> Principles and the Roadmap (http://document.netmundial.br
> /2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/) point to
> the need for further work in this area. Apart from reaffirming process
> approaches outlined in Netmundial documents, is there anything else
> substantial we can offer as to how such further work (as suggested by
> Microsoft and Google) might be conducted and through any particular  forum?
>
> Ian
>
> -----Original Message----- From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
> Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 5:39 PM
> To: Ian Peter ; Forum at Justnetcoalition. Org
> Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> Subject: AW: [governance] [JNC - Forum] After Microsoft now google calls
> for internationaldigital agreements
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>
> It is time to reaffirm the Sao Paulo Principles from 2014. Any
> (multistakeholder/onestakeholder) agreement has to be build on top of the
> Sao Paulo Declaration.
>
> wolfgang
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Ian Peter
> Gesendet: So 02.07.2017 12:06
> An: Forum at Justnetcoalition. Org
> Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> Betreff: Re: [governance] [JNC - Forum] After Microsoft now google calls
> for internationaldigital agreements
>
> Hi Parminder, I am copying this also to the IGC list:
>
> Because I am wondering if there is widespread support for developing a
> civil society statement supporting these efforts, and urging the
> development of (a framework?) (a set of principles?) to deal with these
> issues?
>
> Although Microsoft is approaching this more from cyberwarfare concerns,
> and Google more from lack of standards dealing with surveillance requests,
> there is a common ground here which relates to good governance which
> supports basic rights when dealing with requests for data for digital
> surveillance.
>
> In my own mind I am sure there is a set of good principles/guidelines
> which could (and should) be developed which could cover both of these
> concerns, and I personally feel that we in civil society should be
> supporting and encouraging such developments: while at the same time
> helping to set the agenda for what might be appropriate developments.
>
> GCCS2017 might be one event to move this forward: but in the mean time if
> we can develop a strong consensus statement welcoming further discussion
> and developments in this area, that might be a useful contribution.
>
> But others might feel another approach might be more productive?
>
>
> Ian Peter
>
>
> From: parminder
> Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 6:13 PM
> To: Forum at Justnetcoalition. Org
> Subject: [JNC - Forum] After Microsoft now google calls for
> internationaldigital agreements
>
> Microsoft recently called for a cyber geneva convention
> https://www.wired.com/2017/05/microsoft-right-need-digital-g
> eneva-convention/
>
>
> Now, Google has called for international agreement on legal access to data.
>
>
>    "We need international agreements to lay out the rules of the road to
> deal with what is not a hypothetical problem," said Walker. "We are dealing
> with tens of thousands of these requests every year, and we're just one of
> the companies wrestling with this. We do need an international agreed upon
> framework to move forward in a reliable way that people can have confidence
> in.""
>
>  https://www.cyberscoop.com/google-governments-update-intern
> ational-data-laws/
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>  parminder
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