[governance] Multistakeholderism and Mr. Trump
Lorena Jaume-Palasi
lorena at collaboratory.de
Tue Jan 31 05:14:06 EST 2017
And here the fact checker from the washington post.
Regards
Lorena
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/29/trumps-facile-claim-that-his-refugee-policy-is-similar-to-obama-in-2011/?utm_term=.c80a874f6506
Fact Checker <http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker>
*Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011*
*“My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned
visas for refugees from Iraq for six months.”*
*— President Trump, statement on executive order, Jan. 29, 2017*
*The Pinocchio rating has been updated in light of new information.*
In justifying his controversial executive order halting travelers from
seven majority-Muslim countries, President Trump claimed that President
Barack Obama did the same thing in 2011. But the comparison is a bit facile.
Here’s what happened in 2011.
The Facts
The only news report that we could find that referred to a six-month ban
was a 2013 ABC News article
<http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131>
that
included this line: “As a result of the Kentucky case, the State Department
stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials
told ABC News — even for many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as
interpreters and intelligence assets.”
The “Kentucky case” refers to two Iraqis in Kentucky who in May 2011 were
arrested and faced federal terrorism charges
<https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-iraqi-terrorists-living-kentucky-sentenced-terrorist-activities>after
officials discovered from an informant that Waad Ramadan Alwan, before he
had been granted asylum in the United States, had constructed improvised
roadside bombs in Iraq. The FBI, after examining fragments from thousands
of bomb parts, found Alwan’s fingerprints on a cordless phone that had been
wired to detonate an improvised bomb in 2005.
The arrests caused an uproar in Congress, and the Obama administration
pledged to reexamine the records of 58,000 Iraqis who had been settled in
the United States. The administration also imposed new, more extensive
background checks on Iraqi refugees. Media reports at the time focused on
how the new screening procedures had delayed visa approvals, even as the
United States was preparing to end its involvement in the Iraq War.
“The enhanced screening procedures have caused a logjam in regular visa
admissions from Iraq, even for those who risked their lives to aid American
troops and who now fear reprisals as the Obama administration winds down
the U.S. military presence,” the Baltimore Sun reported.
The Los Angeles Times reported that U.S. officials acknowledged delays but
were trying to speed up the process:
A U.S. Embassy official in Baghdad, speaking on condition he not be
identified, acknowledged “unfortunate delays” in issuing special visas, the
result of enhanced security clearance procedures, some instituted after the
Kentucky arrests. But he said recent changes would speed the process.
The State Department’s National Visa Center has been ordered to flag
special visa applications for expedited action, the official said. And a
requirement that Iraqi applicants provide an original signature on certain
forms sent to the U.S. has been dropped after Iraqis complained of
logistical difficulties.
“We are making changes, ordered at the very highest levels, that will help
shave time off the application process,” the official said.
At a September 2011 congressional hearing, Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine)
asked Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano if a hold had been
placed on Iraqi visa applications.
COLLINS: “So my question is, is there a hold on that population until they
can be more stringently vetted to ensure that we’re not letting into this
country, people who would do us harm?”
NAPOLITANO: “Yep. Let me, if I might, answer your question two parts. First
part, with respect to the 56, 57,000 who were resettled pursuant to the
original resettlement program, they have all been revetted against all of
the DHS databases, all of the NCTC [National Counter Terrorism Center]
databases and the Department of Defense’s biometric databases and so that
work has now been done and focused.”
COLLINS: “That’s completed?”
NAPOLITANO: “That is completed. Moving forward, no one will be resettled
without going through the same sort of vet. Now I don’t know if that
equates to a hold, as you say, but I can say that having done the already
resettled population moving forward, they will all be reviewed against
those kinds of databases.”
The new rules were stringent, the Economist reported,
<http://www.economist.com/node/21532335> and resulted in some turmoil.
“Immigration authorities soon began rechecking all Iraqi refugees in
America, reportedly comparing fingerprints and other records with military
and intelligence documents in dusty archives. About 1,000 soon-to-be
immigrants in Iraq were told that they would not be allowed to board
flights already booked. Some were removed from planes. Thousands more Iraqi
applicants had to restart the immigration process, because their security
clearances expired when the program stalled. Men must now pass five
separate checks, women four, and children three.”
State Department records show
<http://ireports.wrapsnet.org/Interactive-Reporting/EnumType/Report?ItemPath=/rpt_WebArrivalsReports/MX%20-%20Arrivals%20by%20Nationality%20and%20Religion>
there
was a significant drop in refugee arrivals from Iraq in 2011. There were
18,251 in 2010, 6,339 in 2011 and 16,369 in 2012. But it’s unclear that
equates to an actual six-month pause in visa processing, rather than a
dramatic slowdown in approvals as new rules were put in place. One news
report said “pace of visa approvals having slowed to a crawl,” indicating
some were still being approved.
*Update:* Former Obama administration official Jon Finer denied that any
ban in Iraqi refugee admissions was put in place under Obama. “While the
flow of Iraqi refugees slowed significantly during the Obama
administration’s review, refugees continued to be admitted to the United
States during that time, and there was not a single month in which no
Iraqis arrived here,” he wrote in Foreign Policy
<http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/30/sorry-mr-president-the-obama-administration-did-nothing-similar-to-your-immigration-ban/>.
“In other words, while there were delays in processing, there was no
outright ban.”
Another former official, Eric P. Schwartz, the assistant secretary of state
for population, refugees and migration at the time, also told The Fact
Checker that Trump’s statement is false:
“President Obama never imposed a six-month ban on Iraqi processing. For
several months in 2011, there was a lower level of Iraqi resettlement, as
the government implemented certain security enhancements. Indeed, as we
identified new and valuable opportunities to enhance screening, we did so.
Nobody should object to a continual effort to identify legitimate
enhancements, but it is disreputable to use that as a pretext to
effectively shut down a program that is overwhelmingly safe and has enabled
the United States to exercise world leadership. In any event, there was
never a point during that period in which Iraqi resettlement was stopped,
or banned.”
The Pinocchio Test
So what’s the difference with Trump’s action?
First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi
refugees had been implicated in bombmaking in Iraq that had targeted U.S.
troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure,
officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new
screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new
applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any
known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the
countries named in his order.)
Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. In fact, as seen
in Napolitano’s answer to Collins, administration officials danced around
that question. There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa
applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never
said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that
no ban was put in place. Even so, the delays did not go unnoticed, so there
was a lot of critical news reporting at the time about the angst of Iraqis
waiting for approval.
Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country,
including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s
policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back
from barring permanent U.S. residents.
We have sought comment from the White House and from Obama administration
officials and so may update this if more information becomes available. But
so far this is worthy of at least Two Pinocchios.
*Update:* In light of the response from Obama administration officials that
there never was a point when Iraqi resettlement was stopped or banned, we
are updating this ruling to Three Pinocchios. Iraqi refugee processing was
slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump
White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its
statement.
2017-01-31 11:08 GMT+01:00 Lorena Jaume-Palasi <lorena at collaboratory.de>:
> Sorry but that is (again) a false statement from Trump. There was no ban
> on 2011.
> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/01/30/
> president-trump-refugee-executive-order-barack-obama/97249540/
> Regards
> Lorena
>
> 2017-01-31 11:02 GMT+01:00 Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <nyangkweagien at gmail.com>:
>
>> Many thanks Wlli for your earlier post. It said it all. It is just like
>> the hollerings about Trump's anti-refugees of certain countries well as
>> Obama signed the sam decree in 2011 and no one made single noise.
>>
>> Who is caught pants down here?
>>
>> Agien Nyangkwe (Aaron)
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 6:04 AM, willi uebelherr <
>> willi.uebelherr at riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Nicolas,
>>>
>>> why you don't speak about the possiblity to move to online conferences?
>>>
>>> greeting, willi
>>> Asuncion, Paraguay
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30/01/2017 10:43, Nicolas Fiumarelli wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello List,
>>>>
>>>> As most of you know,
>>>>
>>>> The United States, at the time of the next IETF meeting in Chicago, will
>>>> still have the executive order that prevents anyone from seven
>>>> designated
>>>> countries from entering. Referring to a post from the IETF general list,
>>>> and looking back over past IETF meetings, you can see at least 18
>>>> different
>>>> attendees (12 from Iran, 2 from Libya, 2 from Somalia, 1 from Yemen,
>>>> And 1
>>>> from Sudan) who would be barred from attending the Chicago meeting *in
>>>> person*.
>>>>
>>>> Following the Multistakeholder Principles and Rights we all have in
>>>> mind I
>>>> think it is appropriate for the IETF to respond to the United States'
>>>> ban
>>>> on people in Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Yemen.
>>>>
>>>> The question that came out from the list <ietf at ietf.org> is, When this
>>>>
>>>> happens, is there any specific action that can be taken? It is not
>>>> clear to
>>>> me, it is obviously impractical to cancel or move the meeting with so
>>>> much
>>>> notice.
>>>>
>>>> We all know how many Iranians are world-class technologists, including
>>>> computer science and engineering, and in order to respect the diversity
>>>> of
>>>> participation in these events, what efforts are being made?
>>>>
>>>> What do we think about this? How this affects the Multistakeholder
>>>> Model we
>>>> are trying to preserve.
>>>>
>>>> Nicolas Fiumarelli, from Uruguay, talking on behalf of Youth IGF
>>>> Uruguay.
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2017-01-30 10:29 GMT-03:00 Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <
>>>> nyangkweagien at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't we ask ourselves why Mr Trump is coming out with "America
>>>>> first"
>>>>> now, other than the America for the whole world that was professed by
>>>>> the
>>>>> establishment?
>>>>>
>>>>> Did some one ask Trump that question? Did some one listen to Trump's
>>>>> swearing in address?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just because the ruling elite has been defeated, means that there
>>>>> should
>>>>> be no life in Thomas Jefferson's America again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wonderful America!
>>>>>
>>>>> My prayers goes with President Donald Trump
>>>>>
>>>>> Agien Nyangkwe (Aaron)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Arsène Tungali <
>>>>> arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it is still fine if he only apply this in the context of the US
>>>>>> (i mean within the US borders). There is a way he can form a
>>>>>> multistakeholderism process within the country and still be able to
>>>>>> fulfill
>>>>>> his America-First wish
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-01-30 4:35 GMT+02:00 Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A question, what does Multistakeholderism looking like in the context
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> Mr. Trump’s America First-ism?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Asking for a friend…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M
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