[governance] Multistakeholderism and Mr. Trump

Lorena Jaume-Palasi lorena at collaboratory.de
Wed Feb 1 07:39:01 EST 2017


Aaron,
there you go from the official gov. page. Both the first amendment and the
last additions on 2015.
Here you can see the WHOLE TEXT
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/01/21/united-states-begins-implementation-changes-visa-waiver-program
and let me quote the parts that is FUNDAMENTALLY different to Trump's EO

These individuals will still be able to apply for a visa using the regular
immigration process at our embassies or consulates. For those who need a
U.S. visa for urgent business, medical, or humanitarian travel to the
United States, U.S. embassies and consulates stand ready to process
applications on an expedited basis.

AND

 As a general matter, categories of travelers who may be eligible for a
waiver include:

   - Individuals who traveled to Iran, Iraq, Sudan or Syria on behalf of
   international organizations, regional organizations, and sub-national
   governments on official duty;
   - Individuals who traveled to Iran, Iraq, Sudan or Syria on behalf of a
   humanitarian NGO on official duty;
   - Individuals who traveled to Iran, Iraq, Sudan or Syria as a journalist
   for reporting purposes;
   - Individuals who traveled to Iran for legitimate business-related
   purposes following the conclusion of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action
   (July 14, 2015); and
   - Individuals who have traveled to Iraq for legitimate business-related
   purposes.

AND

Any traveler who receives notification that they are no longer eligible to
travel under the VWP are still eligible to travel to the United States with
a valid nonimmigrant visa issued by a U.S. embassy or consulate. Such
travelers will be required to appear for an interview and obtain a visa in
their passports at a U.S. embassy or consulate before traveling to the
United States.

The new law does not ban travel to the United States, or admission into the
United States, and the great majority of VWP travelers will not be affected
by the legislation.

Here the last additions:

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/02/18/dhs-announces-further-travel-restrictions-visa-waiver-program

And to conclude please read the original EO on refugee admissions signed by
Obama (in contrast to the no-refugee politics of Trump)

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/09/30/presidential-memorandum-fy-2015-refugee-admissions

   - Cheers
   - Lorena


2017-02-01 13:09 GMT+01:00 Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <nyangkweagien at gmail.com>:

> Raoul
>
> You should have simply posted the Obama E.O in question instead of
> smearing me with hundreths of EOs from Obama.His spokesman told newsmen
> last sunday that what Trump did was just less than wht Obama did. I
> expected those who opposed that to counter with a posting of the Obama O.E.
> The countray to me is the weepings of sour loosers.
>
> Breaking news to you Raoul
>
> By coming out in total breach of tradition, Obama has sealed the democrats
> to remain in the cold for 8 years. You can quote me the African. I read
> these signs to predict a Trump win - I am no trumpist anyway. But I have
> finally come to admire his bullish attitude in taking on the establishment
> that has taken the world hostage. That to me is great endeavours. My fears
> are that he may end up getting the JF Kennedy dose
>
> Oh, you still have to wait for that apology from me until the ultimate
> time
>
> Agien Nyangkwe
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This pretty well sums it up:
>>
>> "Under the [Obama's] law, dual citizens of visa-waiver countries and
>> Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria could no longer travel to the U.S. without a
>> visa. Dual citizens of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen could, however, still use
>> the visa-waiver program if they hadn't traveled to any of the seven
>> countries after March 2011.
>>
>> Trump's order is much broader. It bans all citizens from those seven
>> countries from entering the U.S. and leaves green card holders subject to
>> being rescreened after visiting those countries.
>>
>> The executive order specifically invoked the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist
>> attacks. A senior Trump administration official also pointed to the 2015
>> shooting rampage in San Bernardino, California, to justify the President's
>> orders although neither of the attackers in the shooting would've been
>> affected by the new ban."
>>
>> http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/how-the-trump-adm
>> inistration-chose-the-7-countries/
>>
>> -Raoul
>>
>> On 1 February 2017 at 13:30, Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nyangkwe, like you say, facts are facts. The problem is, that you have
>>> been fed something else than facts. You can check the facts represented in
>>> the article I linked to and FYI, the executive orders are public
>>> information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>> List_of_executive_actions_by_Barack_Obama
>>>
>>> The whole point of the story was a concerted effort to normalise Trump's
>>> damaging policy, by trying to mislead people into thinking that this policy
>>> was already made by Obama. That is simply not true.
>>>
>>> Here's a handy little table on the countries affected:
>>> https://www.instagram.com/p/BP1fHbKAwZC/
>>>
>>> -Raoul
>>>
>>> On 1 February 2017 at 13:10, Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <
>>> nyangkweagien at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My Dear Raoul
>>>>
>>>> Facts are facts. A fact is the Executive order signed by Trump and
>>>> referenced in that article by Jon Finer. But Finer failed whoefully in
>>>> reporting the other side of the story by referring us with a link to the
>>>> Obama Executive order. His explainations are ner not facts because the fact
>>>> is that order that must be read by all and sundry. Why is Foreign Policy (I
>>>> read it regularly)  refusing to publish the Obama E.O?
>>>> Sorry Jon Finer, yours was some jaundized stuff. The world is not more
>>>> unidirectional as some of you in the establishment tink.
>>>>
>>>> No apology UNTIL THE OBAMA E.O IS PULISHED IN ITS ENTIRETY
>>>>
>>>> Some can continue to vent their spleen at us. We have no qualms
>>>>
>>>> Agien Nyangwe (Aaron)
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1 Lorena
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's another debunking article, with five solid points:
>>>>> https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/30/sorry-mr-presid
>>>>> ent-the-obama-administration-did-nothing-similar-to-your-imm
>>>>> igration-ban/
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like Nyangkwe to acknowledge these articles and admit, that he
>>>>> was wrong to accuse people of hypocrisy in this case.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Raoul
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 February 2017 at 07:51, David Cake <dave at davecake.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump policies seem, on the face of it, implicitly hostile to the
>>>>>> methods of any efforts that are not unilaterally lead by the US government,
>>>>>> and unlikely to contribute usefully to multi-stakeholder dialogues, or to
>>>>>> be supportive of multi-stakeholder institutions. Travel policies are
>>>>>> already proving problematic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m certainly quite pleased that he IANA Transition was completed,
>>>>>> and we have a lot less to worry about from unilateral US efforts to
>>>>>> influence ICANN etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The White House is not the entire US government. Hopefully,
>>>>>> multi-stakeholder efforts will prove resilient to the efforts of a single
>>>>>> radical government, even the US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 Jan 2017, at 10:35 am, Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A question, what does Multistakeholderism looking like in the context
>>>>>> of Mr. Trump’s America First-ism?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asking for a friend…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> M
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