[governance] Multistakeholderism and Mr. Trump

Wed Feb 1 07:09:00 EST 2017

Raoul

You should have simply posted the Obama E.O in question instead of smearing
me with hundreths of EOs from Obama.His spokesman told newsmen last sunday
that what Trump did was just less than wht Obama did. I expected those who
opposed that to counter with a posting of the Obama O.E. The countray to me
is the weepings of sour loosers.

Breaking news to you Raoul

By coming out in total breach of tradition, Obama has sealed the democrats
to remain in the cold for 8 years. You can quote me the African. I read
these signs to predict a Trump win - I am no trumpist anyway. But I have
finally come to admire his bullish attitude in taking on the establishment
that has taken the world hostage. That to me is great endeavours. My fears
are that he may end up getting the JF Kennedy dose

Oh, you still have to wait for that apology from me until the ultimate time

Agien Nyangkwe

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com> wrote:

> This pretty well sums it up:
>
> "Under the [Obama's] law, dual citizens of visa-waiver countries and Iran,
> Iraq, Sudan, or Syria could no longer travel to the U.S. without a visa.
> Dual citizens of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen could, however, still use the
> visa-waiver program if they hadn't traveled to any of the seven countries
> after March 2011.
>
> Trump's order is much broader. It bans all citizens from those seven
> countries from entering the U.S. and leaves green card holders subject to
> being rescreened after visiting those countries.
>
> The executive order specifically invoked the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist
> attacks. A senior Trump administration official also pointed to the 2015
> shooting rampage in San Bernardino, California, to justify the President's
> orders although neither of the attackers in the shooting would've been
> affected by the new ban."
>
> http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/how-the-trump-
> administration-chose-the-7-countries/
>
> -Raoul
>
> On 1 February 2017 at 13:30, Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nyangkwe, like you say, facts are facts. The problem is, that you have
>> been fed something else than facts. You can check the facts represented in
>> the article I linked to and FYI, the executive orders are public
>> information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_executive_actions_by_B
>> arack_Obama
>>
>> The whole point of the story was a concerted effort to normalise Trump's
>> damaging policy, by trying to mislead people into thinking that this policy
>> was already made by Obama. That is simply not true.
>>
>> Here's a handy little table on the countries affected:
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/BP1fHbKAwZC/
>>
>> -Raoul
>>
>> On 1 February 2017 at 13:10, Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <
>> nyangkweagien at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My Dear Raoul
>>>
>>> Facts are facts. A fact is the Executive order signed by Trump and
>>> referenced in that article by Jon Finer. But Finer failed whoefully in
>>> reporting the other side of the story by referring us with a link to the
>>> Obama Executive order. His explainations are ner not facts because the fact
>>> is that order that must be read by all and sundry. Why is Foreign Policy (I
>>> read it regularly)  refusing to publish the Obama E.O?
>>> Sorry Jon Finer, yours was some jaundized stuff. The world is not more
>>> unidirectional as some of you in the establishment tink.
>>>
>>> No apology UNTIL THE OBAMA E.O IS PULISHED IN ITS ENTIRETY
>>>
>>> Some can continue to vent their spleen at us. We have no qualms
>>>
>>> Agien Nyangwe (Aaron)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 Lorena
>>>>
>>>> Here's another debunking article, with five solid points:
>>>> https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/30/sorry-mr-presid
>>>> ent-the-obama-administration-did-nothing-similar-to-your-imm
>>>> igration-ban/
>>>>
>>>> I would like Nyangkwe to acknowledge these articles and admit, that he
>>>> was wrong to accuse people of hypocrisy in this case.
>>>>
>>>> -Raoul
>>>>
>>>> On 1 February 2017 at 07:51, David Cake <dave at davecake.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Trump policies seem, on the face of it, implicitly hostile to the
>>>>> methods of any efforts that are not unilaterally lead by the US government,
>>>>> and unlikely to contribute usefully to multi-stakeholder dialogues, or to
>>>>> be supportive of multi-stakeholder institutions. Travel policies are
>>>>> already proving problematic.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m certainly quite pleased that he IANA Transition was completed, and
>>>>> we have a lot less to worry about from unilateral US efforts to influence
>>>>> ICANN etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> The White House is not the entire US government. Hopefully,
>>>>> multi-stakeholder efforts will prove resilient to the efforts of a single
>>>>> radical government, even the US.
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30 Jan 2017, at 10:35 am, Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A question, what does Multistakeholderism looking like in the context
>>>>> of Mr. Trump’s America First-ism?
>>>>>
>>>>> Asking for a friend…
>>>>>
>>>>> M
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