[governance] Yahoo messages classified as spam Re: new methods URGENT - BE CAREFUL

[Chris Prince Udochukwu Njoku]

Really excellent one from Nobert.
On May 23, 2016 4:53 PM, "Deirdre Williams" <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thank you very much Norbert for the clarification.
> I note the expert advice offered:
> The email expert recommended that mailing list operators suspend the list
> posting rights of yahoo.com users and ask them to re-subscribe to their
> lists with accounts from different email providers.
> I also note the date of the article:
>
>    - Apr 8, 2014 6:10 AM
>    - Such a pity that in more than two years some type of reconciliation
>    of methods could not be achieved.
>    - Thanks again for the explanation
>    - Deirdre
>
>
> On 23 May 2016 at 11:31, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 May 2016 10:50:49 -0400
>> Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Second - instead of admonishing
>> > Arsene for his Yahoo account should we not ask ourselves WHY Google
>> > puts Yahoo messages in a spam folder?
>>
>>
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html
>>
>> (The change in which this brokenness was extended to also include e.g.
>> yahoo.fr was relatively recent.)
>>
>> > Is the intention perhaps to
>> > create peer pressure (as has happened here) to make the Yahoo user
>> > switch to a Gmail account?
>>
>> No. Google is handling the messages precisely in the way in which
>> according to Yahoo they should be handled. It is Yahoo that should be
>> blamed for using such DMARC settings for domains which host customer
>> email addresses -- where there is no justification for assuming that
>> people would never use such email addresses for subscribing to mailing
>> lists.
>>
>> > Rather than blaming Arsene, perhaps we
>> > should try to find a way to MAKE Google listen? Otherwise the
>> > response from IGC members might well be to abandon Google until it
>> > changes its ways?
>>
>> Trying to make Yahoo listen (which many people have tried already,
>> unsuccessfully), and avoiding Yahoo until it changes its ways, would be
>> a more reasonable response.
>>
>> As things are, Yahoo email addresses are currently not suitable for
>> subscribing to mailing lists which conform to the relevant standards
>> for how mailing lists should work.
>>
>> That said, some mailing lists use mitigation measures (implemented as
>> an optional feature for example in recent versions of GNU Mailman) which
>> change the From: header for postings from domains that have such DMARC
>> settings. Such From: header munging is a violation of the relevant
>> standards for how mailing lists should work, but it is an effective
>> work-around.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Norbert
>>
>>
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