[governance] Urgent: Few announcements before the CS MAG 2017 Nomination process
José Félix Arias Ynche
jaryn56 at gmail.com
Thu Dec 1 11:00:35 EST 2016
Bueno también me han hecho reaccionar rápidamente la palabra "solamente las
personas activas", si se dice por los demás miembros que no estamos activos
y no apoyamos "sus agendas", es simple; porque ustedes trabajan sin hacer
conocer verdaderamente sus agendas y los logros.
Me parece más bien que trabajan para consolidarse en el ambiente en donde
se están representando y no veo que están representando a todos los
miembros del Igcaucus, lo digo porque siempre leo que se están eligiendo y
es más que un grupo.
Debe de establecerse una comisión de fiscalización, el cual siga y
califique el actuar de los que nos representen en los diversos ámbitos.
2016-12-01 10:42 GMT-05:00 Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>:
> Hi there,
>
> Thanks everyone for good conversations here. Some questions and answers
> have been shared and we appreciate everyone for willing to understand the
> unusual process as we suggested it for the sake of time and efficiency, we
> are learning everday. Thank you again Deidre for your support and for
> bringing more light as per the IGC Charter. And I agree with your last
> point, we (analia and myself) are still IGC Co-coordinators and we
> appreciate your support with this specific task.
>
> I just wanted to quickly react on something very crucial Renata mentionned
> in her email, the fact that as CS, we can only count on the people who are
> active and who are willing to support the CS agenda since we are all
> volunteers. Therefore, I really hope that Wisdom will still be able to be
> part of the discussions as he used to be a strong supporter of the CS
> agenda. We count on you.
>
> We will be waiting for Deidre for more information regarding the MAG
> nomination process and I will be sending right away my nomination for
> consideration. I am already on my way to Mexico for the IGF and will
> hopefully attend the CS Joint meeting
> <http://bestbits.net/events/joint-cs-2016/?instance_id=232922> which is
> happening on Dec 4th. I encourage those members who will be able to join us
> to please do let me know (even if the registration is closed), we can still
> try and accomodate those who are late confirmed. I hope Jeremy Malcolm can
> agree with me on this.
>
> I will be offline for the next 30 hours and hope to catch up when i am
> able to.
>
> Regards,
> Arsene
>
> ------------------------
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> 2016-12-01 17:25 GMT+02:00 Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>:
>
>> The Nomcom is waiting for agreement about the criteria. As soon as we
>> have that I will send a notification to the list - hopefully that will be
>> by Saturday 3rd for the latest.
>> Meanwhile persons intending to nominate/self-nominate should prepare
>> their proposals so that they are ready to make their submission as soon as
>> the call is published.
>> Good luck to all intending nominees
>> Deirdre
>>
>>
>> On 1 December 2016 at 11:01, Analia Aspis <analia.aspis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks very much Deidre.
>>>
>>> Do we have already a deadline for sending self-nominations?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Analía
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Deirdre Williams <
>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>> A day is not a very long time to wait for comments, but I think it's
>>>> all we can spare at the moment. And since there has been no objection I am
>>>> assuming that IGC will countenance me as a substitute for Analia and Arsene
>>>> to manage the call for nominations within the IGC, and to represent the IGC
>>>> in place of Arsene during the CSCG selection process ON THIS OCCASION ONLY.
>>>> Lee asks how this would fit in the framework of the IGC Charter. I
>>>> would suggest that the Mission:
>>>>
>>>> Mission
>>>>
>>>> The mission of the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is to provide a
>>>> forum for discussion, advocacy, action, and for representation of civil
>>>> society contributions in Internet governance processes. The caucus intends
>>>> to provide an open and effective forum for civil society to share opinion,
>>>> policy options and expertise on Internet governance issues, and to provide
>>>> a mechanism for coordination of advocacy to enhance the utilization and
>>>> influence of Civil Society (CS) and the IGC in relevant policy processes.
>>>>
>>>> supports the urgency of the need for an appropriate arrangement to
>>>> allow IGC to be part of the CSCG selection process
>>>>
>>>> Under Decisions (later in the Charter) there is this provision:
>>>>
>>>> If neither of the IGC coordinators can be physically present in
>>>> face-to-face meetings, they will delegate coordination to another
>>>> participant of such events. This delegation should, if possible, be made
>>>> before the meeting and with the advice of the caucus.
>>>>
>>>> Although this provision refers to a rather different situation, it
>>>> seems reasonable that it could be applied in this case. The delegation is
>>>> being made before the CSCG process begins, and the IGC appears to be giving
>>>> its support by offering no objections.
>>>>
>>>> And the delegation to me is being made to the "immediate past
>>>> co-coordinator" and so to the most recent person, apart from Analia and
>>>> Arsene, to have been endorsed by an IGC voting process.
>>>>
>>>> (References above from http://igcaucus.org/charter)
>>>>
>>>> I will represent IGC to the best of my ability. However I would remind
>>>> you that to make this representation effective IGC members will have to
>>>> advise me by registering a response to nominations when they are made, and
>>>> while +1 is helpful, a brief "reason why" helps even more.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, and with Wisdom's knowledge, I would agree with the proposal
>>>> that the issue of "representing civil society" is better discussed when
>>>> this selection process has been completed, with the proviso that nominees
>>>> should be absolutely clear that the current process is to select a MAG
>>>> member who will represent the "civil society" perspective.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for trusting me again.
>>>>
>>>> Deirdre
>>>>
>>>> (PS A correction to Arsene's message. "This means Deidre will be
>>>> temporarily IGC Coordinator." This is not the case. My function is limited
>>>> to the MAG nominations, and the CSCG selection process. Analia and Arsene
>>>> continue to be the IGC co-coordinators for everyday business of the caucus.)
>>>>
>>>> On 30 November 2016 at 10:44, Analia Aspis <analia.aspis at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Lee,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your comments. 2 points:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. CSCG has decided not to accept Wisdom as IGC representative upong
>>>>> CSCG for this election. This is a decition taken within CSCG. In a normal
>>>>> scenario, Arsene would have replace him, since CSCG decitions for CS MAG
>>>>> selection requires only one represent for each coalition. Since Arsene ins
>>>>> self-nominating himself (and so do I), both Arsene and I, plus all CSCG
>>>>> coaltions has decided that Deidre, as former co-chair would be a neutral
>>>>> profile for such role.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Secondly, any IGC member who is representing Gov at MAG, for
>>>>> obvious reasons, is not able to represent CS at the same time. The sprit of
>>>>> the IGC charter is to envolve CS. This does not mean that Wisdom cannot
>>>>> participate in our debates. It does only mean that for this particular role
>>>>> he should excuse himself, since transparency of the process is involved. A
>>>>> Gov MAG representative is, indeed, representing goverments interest which
>>>>> are different for CS interest.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. We will have time to discuss in IGC about it. We are just focusing
>>>>> in this particular deadline and then concentrate our energy for an open
>>>>> debate
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this clarifies the scenario.
>>>>>
>>>>> Analía
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Understanding everyone is acting with the best intent on short
>>>>>> deadlines:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I encourage someone close to the process to review the IGC Charter
>>>>>> quickly and prepare a brief couple line note on how this fits within the
>>>>>> framework.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, if it doesn't quite fit and a quick acclamation/affirmation
>>>>>> of Deirdre re-stepping up (thanks Deirdre!) is useful, then that could be
>>>>>> suggested. (Hopefully not deemed necessary.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I recall we have been flexible to accommodate circumstances in
>>>>>> past so believe this does not fall outside de facto if not de jure
>>>>>> precedents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But just for procedural clarity...please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org <
>>>>>> governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org> on behalf of Analia Aspis <
>>>>>> analia.aspis at gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:35 AM
>>>>>> *To:* <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Urgent: Few announcements before the CS
>>>>>> MAG 2017 Nomination process
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Renata and Akinremi Peter for your comments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do share your opinions Renata, from my point of view.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And with regard Wisdom's role, the decision to get a replacement
>>>>>> until this is solved, was taken at the CSCG, by the two co-chairs (Richard
>>>>>> Hill and Analía Aspis) and with fully support of all the members, and of
>>>>>> course, prior information to Wisdom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, as Arsene said, we will disucss this issue openly after CS
>>>>>> MAG process. We do have all the information of this prior SOI and all
>>>>>> tracking of the mails.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Analía
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <
>>>>>> raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think Peter has good questions there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also I'd like to address earlier messages on open/closed MAG renewal
>>>>>>> process. As CSCG is now getting involved, I see the process as almost
>>>>>>> a repeat of the IGF retreat procedures, where CSCG was involved but a
>>>>>>> form was also created to send in names. CSCG did its process in a
>>>>>>> public manner and I am in favor of supporting openness for
>>>>>>> transparency. When the names get to UN Secretariat, the process is
>>>>>>> then closed. The UN has a vetting process, it is good that this
>>>>>>> exists, but yes, studying how to make this process open is a
>>>>>>> challenge. The process of MAG renewal is not only for CS so other
>>>>>>> stakeholders would have also to be willing to re-examine process and
>>>>>>> this takes a coordination effort I'm not sure can be done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is good that CSCG is now getting involved with the CS process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Arsene and Analia for publicly sharing the info of your intent
>>>>>>> to run for MAG renewal and recusing yourselves from CSCG momentarily
>>>>>>> for the sake of transparency.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Deirdre for volunteering to take over CSCG responsibilities
>>>>>>> temporarily.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time is of the essence since MAG Renewal only goes until 16dec
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wisdom is someone who has fought CS battles many times but does have
>>>>>>> the cap of government on the IGF MAG so, indeed, there is a conflict
>>>>>>> when it comes to CSCG but I do hope this is a step away only from
>>>>>>> CSCG
>>>>>>> coordination rather than being a collaborator with civil society as
>>>>>>> whole. Civil society needs those willing to collaborate as we are all
>>>>>>> volunteers, sometimes overstretched ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Renata
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 4:08 AM, Akinremi Peter Taiwo
>>>>>>> <compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Do we have provision for this in the IGC chater? Was there not
>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>> > information in the Statement of interest of Wisdom when vying to
>>>>>>> represent
>>>>>>> > the interest of IGC on CSCG, How do we called this? Was there no
>>>>>>> background
>>>>>>> > check at all to have know the position of candidates in the poll
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> > elect.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Best
>>>>>>> > Peter.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:47 AM, Arsène Tungali <
>>>>>>> arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Dear all,
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Please read this carefully, there are some important updates.
>>>>>>> This is an
>>>>>>> >> unusual situation, so hope I will be clear enough when trying to
>>>>>>> explain it:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> 1. Both Analia and myself (Arsene) will be nominating
>>>>>>> ourselves for
>>>>>>> >> the Civil Society MAG 2017 position. In that sense, since we are
>>>>>>> both IGC
>>>>>>> >> Co-coordinators, we cannot oversee the nomination process on the
>>>>>>> IGC list;
>>>>>>> >> we need to recuse ourselves for a short period of time to allow a
>>>>>>> fair,
>>>>>>> >> transparent selection process.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> That’s why we have contacted Mrs. Deidre Williams (former IGC
>>>>>>> >> Co-coordinator) to support us during this period until the
>>>>>>> selection process
>>>>>>> >> is concluded (up to 10 days). This means Deidre will be
>>>>>>> temporarily IGC
>>>>>>> >> Coordinator.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> 2. The CSCG (Civil Society Coordination Group, where IGC is
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> >> member) has decided to temporarily (until we gather more details
>>>>>>> and make an
>>>>>>> >> appropriate decision) to remove Mr. Wisdom Donkor (current 2nd
>>>>>>> IGC Rep on
>>>>>>> >> CSCG) from the Civil Society (CS) selection discussions given
>>>>>>> that we found
>>>>>>> >> out that he is representing the Government in the current MAG.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> In that sense, since he cannot represent both CS and Government
>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>> >> same time and to avoid any possible conflict of interest, he will
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> >> represent IGC on the CSCG for now. We will start discussing his
>>>>>>> case within
>>>>>>> >> the IGC after we have gathered more information for an
>>>>>>> appropriate decision.
>>>>>>> >> Until then, Deidre Williams will be our 2nd IGC Representative on
>>>>>>> the CSCG.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> We welcome Deidre (again) and leave it to her to conduct the
>>>>>>> consultations
>>>>>>> >> and quick start the nomination process.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Should you have any question or need any clarification on the
>>>>>>> above,
>>>>>>> >> please do not hesitate to come back to me.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Arsene
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> ------------------------
>>>>>>> >> *Arsène Tungali*
>>>>>>> >> Co-Founder & Executive Director, Rudi international,
>>>>>>> >> CEO, Smart Services Sarl, Mabingwa Forum
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>>>>>>> >> GPG: 523644A0
>>>>>>> >> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>>>>> >>
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