[governance] Pro-multistakeholderist versus pro-democracy viewpoints

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Stakeholder is one concept that can be quite broadly interpreted in that anyone and everyone can feel they have a stake in something. I guess the test most people apply for active stakeholders is -

1. Those that wish to contribute time, money and effort to work together with other stakeholders for a common goal

2. Those whose contributions are restricted to exerting all their efforts towards political control of s stakeholder driven process (a category that I refer to as steakholders)

--srs (iPad)

> On 11-Mar-2015, at 01:52, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> We're getting at cross purposes between "stake" and "at stake".
> A "stakeholder" holds a stake - an interest, an outcome??
> I would be interested to hear from all of the discussants what they consider this "stake" to be. It may not be one thing; it could be a whole range of things. It might be easier to describe by saying what is NOT a stake, what does NOT qualify one to be part of the debate.
> And does "one" qualify, or is it only groups that hold stakes?
> I'm hoping for clarification
> Thank you
> Deirdre
> 
>> On 10 March 2015 at 15:34, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 13:36:22 -0400
>> Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > I should still like to know what is a "stake" - the thing that is
>> > held by the stakeholder.
>> 
>> My understanding is that whatever is /at stake/ from the perspective of
>> a given stakeholder, in the sense of being potentially gained or lost,
>> is the relevant "stake", and it is "held" as a hope (if it's something
>> to be potentially gained) or "held fast" (possibly in fear, if it's
>> something that could potentially be lost).
>> 
>> Disclaimer: These thoughts are shared on the basis of much less
>> reflection than would go into anything that I write e.g. about
>> democracy or about human rights, as I am not an advocate for any of the
>> various theories that are based on the notion of stakeholders, nor am I
>> an advocate of multistakeholderism.
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> Norbert
>> 
>> 
>> > On 10 March 2015 at 12:40, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 10:43:45 -0400
>> > > Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > One thing that seems to be missing in everything that I have read
>> > > > so far is an explanation of "what is a stake"?
>> > >
>> > > Humanity is in the process of a very significant transition to a
>> > > state of organization which is much more globalized and much more
>> > > ICT-based than anything that we have experience with.
>> > >
>> > > In my view, whether democracy(*) will survive this transition is
>> > > very much at stake.
>> > >
>> > > Greetings,
>> > > Norbert
>> > >
>> > > (*) I mean "democracy" in the sense of the literal meaning of the
>> > > word, as explained in a recent posting on this list and also at
>> > > http://sustainability.oriented.systems/democracy/
>> > >
>> > >
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