[governance] The decentralization of the DNS system
Suresh Ramasubramanian
suresh at hserus.net
Tue Jun 23 11:46:11 EDT 2015
I have no interest in acquiring a domain anywhere 99.multiple nines percent of the world can't reach it
Thanks for offering
--srs
> On 23-Jun-2015, at 7:43 pm, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:
>
> Suresh,
>
> I am glad that you and McTim get so excited about proving whatever you want to prove but nobody is talking about a theglobaljournal.ngo. This will not happen, as the Global Journal is a media and not an NGO. The .ngo that I am talking about is not the profitable business PIR has invented to monetize its dot org database with NGOs, as well as trying to become a "judge" for which entity is or isn't an ngo. I am convinced that PIR marketing director is well aware of its sale objective when thinking of PIR's new milky TLD. So it is very unfortunate that PIR is playing such a game with the non profit sector and NGOs. What is the legitimacy of PIR, and based on which methodology or criteria can PIR/ISOC/ICANN can establish/certify when an NGO is an NGO and when it isn't an NGO? Will PIR make a difference between an NGO and a BINGO (such as PIR) - BINGO is for Business NGO. If PIR was itself an NGO why then to monetize their .ngo? There are plenty of these BINGOs in the ECOSOC database as part of their usual corporate lobbying efforts to play by the multistakeholder book.
>
> The .ngo I am talking about will be operated by the Top 500 NGOs (top500ngos.net) using a TLD operated by Open-Root. No less, no more than that. As a media itself, the Top 500 NGOs platform is operated with a .net and I do pay my fees to ICANN on that. So no need to dig+trace when it is currently not pretending to be operating under a top500ngos.ngo.
>
> Of course, if you and McTim wish to register
> www.suresh.ngo
> or
> www.mctim.ngo
>
> I am happy to offer them to you (Louis will support the favor) as PIR will dig+trace you guys only to find out that you are no NGO. Big deal indeed. Anyway it would be far too expensive to buy them from PIR.
>
> JC
>
> (just wondering if anyone is going to click)
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>> Le 23 juin 2015 à 15:43, Suresh Ramasubramanian a écrit :
>>
>> Jean-Christophe -
>>
>> Unfortunately, there is an actual TLD called .ngo - in which your theglobaljournal.ngo does not exist.
>>
>> So - there is now an inconsistency - there’s one set of ngo domains hosted on “the real dns” and another totally different set of ngo domains hosted on your open root or whatever. And there is zero connectivity or consistency between the two.
>>
>> They affectively exist in parallel universes, completely unreachable from each other.
>>
>> ; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P1 <<>> theglobaljournal.ngo
>> ;; global options: +cmd
>> ;; Got answer:
>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 22896
>> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>>
>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>> ;theglobaljournal.ngo. IN A
>>
>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>> ngo. 899 IN SOA a0.nic.ngo. noc.afilias-nst.info. 1000002722 10800 3600 2764800 900
>>
>>
>>> On 23-Jun-2015, at 7:05 pm, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure to understand what kind of demonstration you are aiming at.
>>>
>>> You dig the wrong place, and do not pay enough attention. Did I indicate that theglobaljournal.net was located at theglobaljournal.ngo (by Open-Root)? No. A domain name that was created back in 2010 with a .net and is up since then was not set - sadly- by using Open-Root. I regret it. To shift it in the future is a possibility. Thanks to your email, I'll think about it seriously.
>>>
>>> I precisely indicated that all my computers and devices were sending their requests for resolving name to IP, not any longer to an ICANN affiliate but to Open-Root. I am very happy with that change, as Open-Root responds faster than my former ICANN resolver. Then, I invited anyone to do so by changing their DNS settings in their own device and computers. So maybe you are able to enter my personal settings and penetrate my computers to check that, and maybe prove to the entire world that I am some kind of a "liar" - please provide us the results of your kind investigation.
>>>
>>> One additional information regarding the .ngo : it will be up and running - NGOs currently choosing their domain name (for free) with a .ngo in the Open Root - sometime in July. We are working hard on this as you can imagine. But now you can also dig + trace Open Root and tell everyone in the list if Louis Pouzin exists or if he and Open-Root are a fake.
>>>
>>> So unless you wish to simply discredit any party at the conversation table, I am not sure what to think about that last email of yours.
>>>
>>> Everyone will appreciate.
>>>
>>> JC
>>>
>>>> Le 23 juin 2015 à 15:10, McTim a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
>>>> <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>>>>> What you call a fairyland is the reality that you happen to be using to even
>>>>> be able to send this email.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, I see no evidence of an alt-root in this dig + trace:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>> theglobaljournal.net MX +trace
>>>> ;; global options: printcmd
>>>> . 10431 IN NS c.root-servers.net.
>>>> . 10431 IN NS a.root-servers.net.
>>>> . 10431 IN NS h.root-servers.net.
>>>> . 10431 IN NS k.root-servers.net.
>>>> . 10431 IN NS g.root-servers.net.
>>>> . 10431 IN NS d.root-servers.net.
>>>> . 10431 IN NS f.root-servers.net.
>>>> . 10431 IN NS j.root-servers.net.
>>>> . 10431 IN NS m.root-servers.net.
>>>> . 10431 IN NS e.root-servers.net.
>>>> . 10431 IN NS b.root-servers.net.
>>>> . 10431 IN NS l.root-servers.net.
>>>> . 10431 IN NS i.root-servers.net.
>>>> ;; Received 228 bytes from 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) in 45 ms
>>>>
>>>> net. 172800 IN NS h.gtld-servers.net.
>>>> net. 172800 IN NS e.gtld-servers.net.
>>>> net. 172800 IN NS m.gtld-servers.net.
>>>> net. 172800 IN NS c.gtld-servers.net.
>>>> net. 172800 IN NS k.gtld-servers.net.
>>>> net. 172800 IN NS g.gtld-servers.net.
>>>> net. 172800 IN NS j.gtld-servers.net.
>>>> net. 172800 IN NS b.gtld-servers.net.
>>>> net. 172800 IN NS d.gtld-servers.net.
>>>> net. 172800 IN NS f.gtld-servers.net.
>>>> net. 172800 IN NS i.gtld-servers.net.
>>>> net. 172800 IN NS l.gtld-servers.net.
>>>> net. 172800 IN NS a.gtld-servers.net.
>>>> ;; Received 507 bytes from 192.33.4.12#53(c.root-servers.net) in 46 ms
>>>>
>>>> theglobaljournal.net. 172800 IN NS a.dns.gandi.net.
>>>> theglobaljournal.net. 172800 IN NS b.dns.gandi.net.
>>>> theglobaljournal.net. 172800 IN NS c.dns.gandi.net.
>>>> ;; Received 228 bytes from 192.54.112.30#53(h.gtld-servers.net) in 122 ms
>>>>
>>>> theglobaljournal.net. 600 IN MX 10 spool.mail.gandi.net.
>>>> theglobaljournal.net. 600 IN MX 50 fb.mail.gandi.net.
>>>> theglobaljournal.net. 10800 IN NS c.dns.gandi.net.
>>>> theglobaljournal.net. 10800 IN NS b.dns.gandi.net.
>>>> theglobaljournal.net. 10800 IN NS a.dns.gandi.net.
>>>> ;; Received 142 bytes from 173.246.98.1#53(a.dns.gandi.net) in 39 ms
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That chinese proposal is not a technical one - it is a smokescreen for a
>>>>> political move.
>>>>
>>>> Censorship seems to be the motivation.
>>>>
>>>> Any civil society that actually winds up supporting it
>>>>> finds itself endorsing a multilateral model where civil society, industry or
>>>>> other non government stakeholders are shut off from decision making.
>>>>>
>>>>> If that is your intent, then please do say so in slightly clearer terms than
>>>>> you have so far.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you are looking for a chinese proposal to scale the root, the one
>>>> described here seems to be less offensive to CS sensibilities:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141107_secure_unowned_hierarchical_anycast_root_name_service_and_apologia/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> McTim
>>>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>>>> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
>>>>
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