[governance] The decentralization of the DNS system

Wed Jul 1 02:50:00 EDT 2015

Dear Chantal,

The internet proceeds by experimentation of permissionless innovative 
ideas. ICANN has pertinently documented reasonable and acceptable 
guidance for this innovation to be tested without interfering with 
their own operations. The DNS technology can support several 
architectural options that have or not have been attempted/tested. So 
there is no problem with new propositions as long as one can 
reproduce them and test them.

I would be quite interested in understanding the Open-Root offer.

Where could I find a technically clear description of the Open-Root 
system/architecture and practical operations? May be an IETF like 
Draft (I say "like" because I understand that you would not like to 
be bound by the NSANET technology's IETF Trust copyrights). From A to 
Z, with may be some FAQ addressing fellow engineer's questions, and a 
step by step explanation of the way any user (not Open-Root 
customers) may access Open-Root TLD named sites.

Also, I would be interested in the practical set of programs, tools, 
files, etc. I need to establish a new Open-Root TLD.

Eventually, I have some difficulty understanding if the Open-Root.eu 
proposition is commercial, proprietary or a Libre?

Thank you for your responses which should probably help clarifying 
this 20+ years on-going discussion.
jfc

At 16:29 23/06/2015, chlebrum . wrote:
>All last examples and explanations become quite surreallistic 
>because, as I explained previously, it exists different Registries 
>that had, for years, their own networks, totally ICANN independent, 
>and of course they have customers who use their TLDs.
>Each of these differents networks has a choice of business model, if 
>you doubt you can consult attached file, a complaint with NameSpace 
>as plaintiff Vs ICANN.
>You will read from page 37 the list (exhibit A, B and C) of gTLDs 
>claimed by NameSpace ... including some .NGO (page 41)
>[]
>
>So now we have at least 3 different .NGO, who saw a problem?
>As said previously, Open-Root used to SALE TLDs to customer, which 
>becomes an effective registry and allows the creation of "domain 
>names" free. It's our choice and it is great for clients.
>As Jean-Christophe said, enter a different DNS number that ICANN (or 
>Google, which is also an Open Root !!!) often provides a faster 
>connection because it escapes spam and monitoring filters. A lot of 
>people in countries like Turkey, Azerbaidjan, Russia, Iran, France 
>and USA made these change, but, in fact it is in microseconds and 
>this is the Quality of Service that makes difference for users (it 
>depends on his continent, connectivity, provider, etc.). Louis 
>Pouzin wrote a paper about this problem during the NetMundial last year.
>
>
>Chantal Lebrument
>âCourriel: 
><mailto:lebrument at open-root.eu>c<mailto:hlebrum at gmail.com>hlebrum at gmail.com
>Mob: +33 6 8369 5460
>
>2015-06-23 15:43 GMT+02:00 Suresh Ramasubramanian 
><<mailto:suresh at hserus.net>suresh at hserus.net>:
>Jean-Christophe -
>Unfortunately, there is an actual TLD called .ngo - in which your 
>theglobaljournal.ngo does not exist.
>So - there is now an inconsistency - thereâs one set of ngo 
>domains hosted on âthe real dnsâ and another totally different 
>set of ngo domains hosted on your open root or whatever. Â  Â And 
>there is zero connectivity or consistency between the two.
>They affectively exist in parallel universes, completely unreachable 
>from each other.
>; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P1 <<>> theglobaljournal.ngo
>;; global options: +cmd
>;; Got answer:
>;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 22896
>;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>;; QUESTION SECTION:
>;theglobaljournal.ngo.INA
>;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>ngo.899INSOAa0.nic.ngo. 
><http://noc.afilias-nst.info>noc.afilias-nst.info. 1000002722 10800 
>3600 2764800 900
>
>
>>On 23-Jun-2015, at 7:05 pm, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global 
>>Journal 
>><<mailto:jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net>jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> 
>>wrote:
>>Not sure to understand what kind of demonstration you are aiming at.
>>You dig the wrong place, and do not pay enough attention. Did I 
>>indicate that <http://theglobaljournal.net/>theglobaljournal.net 
>>was located at theglobaljournal.ngo (by Open-Root)? No. A domain 
>>name that was created back in 2010 with a .net and is up since then 
>>was not set - sadly- by using Open-Root. I regret it. To shift it 
>>in the future is a possibility. Thanks to your email, I'll think 
>>about it seriously.
>>
>>I precisely indicated that all my computers and devices were 
>>sending their requests for resolving name to IP, not any longer to 
>>an ICANN affiliate but to Open-Root. I am very happy with that 
>>change, as Open-Root responds faster than my former ICANN resolver. 
>>Then, I invited anyone to do so by changing their DNS settings in 
>>their own device and computers. So maybe you are able to enter my 
>>personal settings and penetrate my computers to check that, and 
>>maybe prove to the entire world that I am some kind of a "liar" - 
>>please provide us the results of your kind investigation.
>>One additional information regarding the .ngo : it will be up and 
>>running - NGOs currently choosing their domain name (for free) with 
>>a .ngo in the Open Root - sometime in July. We are working hard on 
>>this as you can imagine. But now you can also dig + trace Open Root 
>>and tell everyone in the list if Louis Pouzin exists or if he and 
>>Open-Root are a fake.
>>So unless you wish to simply discredit any party at the 
>>conversation table, I am not sure what to think about that last email of yours.
>>Everyone will appreciate.Â
>>JC
>>Le 23 juin 2015 Ã  15:10, McTim a Ã©crit :
>>
>>>On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
>>><<mailto:suresh at hserus.net>suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>>>>What you call a fairyland is the reality that you happen to be 
>>>>using to even
>>>>be able to send this email.
>>>Indeed, I see no evidence of an alt-root in this dig + trace:
>>>
>>>
>>>; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>> 
>>><http://theglobaljournal.net/>theglobaljournal.net MX +trace
>>>;; global options: Â printcmd
>>>. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 10431 Â Â IN Â Â Â Â 
>>>Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://c.root-servers.net/>c.root-servers.net.
>>>. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 10431 Â Â IN Â Â Â Â 
>>>Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://a.root-servers.net/>a.root-servers.net.
>>>. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 10431 Â Â IN Â Â Â Â 
>>>Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://h.root-servers.net/>h.root-servers.net.
>>>. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 10431 Â Â IN Â Â Â Â 
>>>Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://k.root-servers.net/>k.root-servers.net.
>>>. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 10431 Â Â IN Â Â Â Â 
>>>Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://g.root-servers.net/>g.root-servers.net.
>>>. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 10431 Â Â IN Â Â Â Â 
>>>Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://d.root-servers.net/>d.root-servers.net.
>>>. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 10431 Â Â IN Â Â Â Â 
>>>Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://f.root-servers.net/>f.root-servers.net.
>>>. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 10431 Â Â IN Â Â Â Â 
>>>Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://j.root-servers.net/>j.root-servers.net.
>>>. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 10431 Â Â IN Â Â Â Â 
>>>Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://m.root-servers.net/>m.root-servers.net.
>>>. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 10431 Â Â IN Â Â Â Â 
>>>Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://e.root-servers.net/>e.root-servers.net.
>>>. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 10431 Â Â IN Â Â Â Â 
>>>Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://b.root-servers.net/>b.root-servers.net.
>>>. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 10431 Â Â IN Â Â Â Â 
>>>Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://l.root-servers.net/>l.root-servers.net.
>>>. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 10431 Â Â IN Â Â Â Â 
>>>Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://i.root-servers.net/>i.root-servers.net.
>>>;; Received 228 bytes from 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) in 45 ms
>>>net. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 172800 Â IN Â Â Â Â Â 
>>>NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://h.gtld-servers.net/>h.gtld-servers.net.
>>>net. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 172800 Â IN Â Â Â Â Â 
>>>NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://e.gtld-servers.net/>e.gtld-servers.net.
>>>net. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 172800 Â IN Â Â Â Â Â 
>>>NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://m.gtld-servers.net/>m.gtld-servers.net.
>>>net. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 172800 Â IN Â Â Â Â Â 
>>>NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://c.gtld-servers.net/>c.gtld-servers.net.
>>>net. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 172800 Â IN Â Â Â Â Â 
>>>NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://k.gtld-servers.net/>k.gtld-servers.net.
>>>net. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 172800 Â IN Â Â Â Â Â 
>>>NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://g.gtld-servers.net/>g.gtld-servers.net.
>>>net. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 172800 Â IN Â Â Â Â Â 
>>>NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://j.gtld-servers.net/>j.gtld-servers.net.
>>>net. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 172800 Â IN Â Â Â Â Â 
>>>NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://b.gtld-servers.net/>b.gtld-servers.net.
>>>net. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 172800 Â IN Â Â Â Â Â 
>>>NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://d.gtld-servers.net/>d.gtld-servers.net.
>>>net. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 172800 Â IN Â Â Â Â Â 
>>>NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://f.gtld-servers.net/>f.gtld-servers.net.
>>>net. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 172800 Â IN Â Â Â Â Â 
>>>NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://i.gtld-servers.net/>i.gtld-servers.net.
>>>net. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 172800 Â IN Â Â Â Â Â 
>>>NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://l.gtld-servers.net/>l.gtld-servers.net.
>>>net. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 172800 Â IN Â Â Â Â Â 
>>>NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://a.gtld-servers.net/>a.gtld-servers.net.
>>>;; Received 507 bytes from 
>>>192.33.4.12#53(<http://c.root-servers.net/>c.root-servers.net) in 46 ms
>>>
>>><http://theglobaljournal.net/>theglobaljournal.net. Â Â 172800 Â 
>>>IN Â Â Â Â Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://a.dns.gandi.net/>a.dns.gandi.net.
>>><http://theglobaljournal.net/>theglobaljournal.net. Â Â 172800 Â 
>>>IN Â Â Â Â Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://b.dns.gandi.net/>b.dns.gandi.net.
>>><http://theglobaljournal.net/>theglobaljournal.net. Â Â 172800 Â 
>>>IN Â Â Â Â Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://c.dns.gandi.net/>c.dns.gandi.net.
>>>;; Received 228 bytes from 
>>>192.54.112.30#53(<http://h.gtld-servers.net/>h.gtld-servers.net) in 122 ms
>>>
>>><http://theglobaljournal.net/>theglobaljournal.net. Â Â 600 Â Â Â 
>>>Â IN Â Â Â Â Â MX Â Â Â Â Â 10 
>>><http://spool.mail.gandi.net/>spool.mail.gandi.net.
>>><http://theglobaljournal.net/>theglobaljournal.net. Â Â 600 Â Â Â 
>>>Â IN Â Â Â Â Â MX Â Â Â Â Â 50 <http://fb.mail.gandi.net/>fb.mail.gandi.net.
>>><http://theglobaljournal.net/>theglobaljournal.net. Â Â 10800 Â Â 
>>>IN Â Â Â Â Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://c.dns.gandi.net/>c.dns.gandi.net.
>>><http://theglobaljournal.net/>theglobaljournal.net. Â Â 10800 Â Â 
>>>IN Â Â Â Â Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://b.dns.gandi.net/>b.dns.gandi.net.
>>><http://theglobaljournal.net/>theglobaljournal.net. Â Â 10800 Â Â 
>>>IN Â Â Â Â Â NS Â Â Â Â Â <http://a.dns.gandi.net/>a.dns.gandi.net.
>>>;; Received 142 bytes from 
>>>173.246.98.1#53(<http://a.dns.gandi.net/>a.dns.gandi.net) in 39 ms
>>>
>>>
>>>>That chinese proposal is not a technical one - it is a smokescreen for a
>>>>political move.
>>>Censorship seems to be the motivation.
>>>Any civil society that actually winds up supporting it
>>>>finds itself endorsing a multilateral model where civil society, 
>>>>industry or
>>>>other non government stakeholders are shut off from decision making.
>>>>If that is your intent, then please do say so in slightly clearer 
>>>>terms than
>>>>you have so far.
>>>
>>>If you are looking for a chinese proposal to scale the root, the one
>>>described here seems to be less offensive to CS sensibilities:
>>>
>>><http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141107_secure_unowned_hierarchical_anycast_root_name_service_and_apologia/>http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141107_secure_unowned_hierarchical_anycast_root_name_service_and_apologia/
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Cheers,
>>>McTim
>>>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>>>route indicates how we get there." Â Jon Postel
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