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Dear Chantal,<br><br>
The internet proceeds by experimentation of permissionless innovative
ideas. ICANN has pertinently documented reasonable and acceptable
guidance for this innovation to be tested without interfering with their
own operations. The DNS technology can support several architectural
options that have or not have been attempted/tested. So there is no
problem with new propositions as long as one can reproduce them and test
them.<br><br>
I would be quite interested in understanding the Open-Root offer.
<br><br>
Where could I find a technically clear description of the Open-Root
system/architecture and practical operations? May be an IETF like Draft
(I say "like" because I understand that you would not like to
be bound by the NSANET technology's IETF Trust copyrights). From A to Z,
with may be some FAQ addressing fellow engineer's questions, and a step
by step explanation of the way any user (not Open-Root customers) may
access Open-Root TLD named sites. <br><br>
Also, I would be interested in the practical set of programs, tools,
files, etc. I need to establish a new Open-Root TLD. <br><br>
Eventually, I have some difficulty understanding if the Open-Root.eu
proposition is commercial, proprietary or a Libre?<br><br>
Thank you for your responses which should probably help clarifying this
20+ years on-going discussion.<br>
jfc<br><br>
<br><br>
At 16:29 23/06/2015, chlebrum . wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">All last examples and
explanations become quite surreallistic because, as I explained
previously, it exists different Registries that had, for years, their own
networks, totally ICANN independent, and of course they have customers
who use their TLDs. <br>
Each of these differents networks has a choice of business model, <b>if
you doubt you can consult attached file</b>, a complaint with
<b>NameSpace as plaintiff Vs ICANN</b>. <br>
You will read from page 37 the list (exhibit A, B and C) of gTLDs claimed
by NameSpace ... including some .NGO (page
41)<img src="cid:7.1.0.9.0.20150701082013.090210a0@jefsey.com.1" width=14 height=14 alt="[]">
<br>
So now we have at least 3 different .NGO, who saw a problem? <br>
As said previously, Open-Root used to SALE TLDs to customer, which
becomes an effective registry and allows the creation of "domain
names" free. It's our choice and it is great for clients.<br>
As Jean-Christophe said, enter a different DNS number that ICANN (or
Google, which is also an Open Root !!!) often provides a faster
connection because it escapes spam and monitoring filters. A lot of
people in countries like Turkey, Azerbaidjan, Russia, Iran, France and
USA made these change, but, in fact it is in microseconds and this is the
Quality of Service that makes difference for users (it depends on his
continent, connectivity, provider, etc.). Louis Pouzin wrote a paper
about this problem during the NetMundial last year.<br><br>
<br>
<font color="#660000">Chantal Lebrument<br>
Courriel:
<a href="mailto:lebrument@open-root.eu">c</a>
<a href="mailto:hlebrum@gmail.com">hlebrum@gmail.com</a><br>
Mob: +33 6 8369 5460<br>
</font><br>
2015-06-23 15:43 GMT+02:00 Suresh Ramasubramanian
<<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>>:
<dl>
<dd>Jean-Christophe -<br>
<dd>Unfortunately, there is an actual TLD called .ngo - in which your
theglobaljournal.ngo does not exist.<br>
<dd>So - there is now an inconsistency - there’s one set of ngo domains
hosted on “the real dns” and another totally different set of ngo
domains hosted on your open root or whatever. And there is zero
connectivity or consistency between the two.<br>
<dd>They affectively exist in parallel universes, completely unreachable
from each other.<br>
<dd>; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P1 <<>>
theglobaljournal.ngo
<dd>;; global options: +cmd
<dd>;; Got answer:
<dd>;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id:
22896
<dd>;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL:
0<br>
<dd>;; QUESTION SECTION:
<dd>;theglobaljournal.ngo.INA<br>
<dd>;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
<dd>ngo.899INSOAa0.nic.ngo.
<a href="http://noc.afilias-nst.info">noc.afilias-nst.info</a>.
1000002722 10800 3600 2764800 900<br>
<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>On 23-Jun-2015, at 7:05 pm, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global
Journal
<<a href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net">
jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<dd>Not sure to understand what kind of demonstration you are aiming
at.<br>
<dd>You dig the wrong place, and do not pay enough attention. Did I
indicate that
<a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/">theglobaljournal.net</a> was
located at theglobaljournal.ngo (by Open-Root)? No. A domain name that
was created back in 2010 with a .net and is up since then was not set -
sadly- by using Open-Root. I regret it. To shift it in the future is a
possibility. Thanks to your email, I'll think about it
seriously.<br><br>
<dd>I precisely indicated that all my computers and devices were sending
their requests for resolving name to IP, not any longer to an ICANN
affiliate but to Open-Root. I am very happy with that change, as
Open-Root responds faster than my former ICANN resolver. Then, I invited
anyone to do so by changing their DNS settings in their own device and
computers. So maybe you are able to enter my personal settings and
penetrate my computers to check that, and maybe prove to the entire world
that I am some kind of a "liar" - please provide us the results
of your kind investigation.<br>
<dd>One additional information regarding the .ngo : it will be up and
running - NGOs currently choosing their domain name (for free) with a
.ngo in the Open Root - sometime in July. We are working hard on this as
you can imagine. But now you can also dig + trace Open Root and tell
everyone in the list if Louis Pouzin exists or if he and Open-Root are a
fake.<br>
<dd>So unless you wish to simply discredit any party at the conversation
table, I am not sure what to think about that last email of yours.<br>
<dd>Everyone will appreciate. <br>
<dd>JC<br>
<dd>Le 23 juin 2015 15:10, McTim a écrit :<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<dd><<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>>
wrote:<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>What you call a fairyland is the reality that you happen to be using
to even
<dd>be able to send this email.</blockquote>
<dd>Indeed, I see no evidence of an alt-root in this dig + trace:<br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>>
<a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/">theglobaljournal.net</a> MX
+trace
<dd>;; global options: printcmd
<dd>. 10431 IN
NS
<a href="http://c.root-servers.net/">c.root-servers.net</a>.
<dd>. 10431 IN
NS
<a href="http://a.root-servers.net/">a.root-servers.net</a>.
<dd>. 10431 IN
NS
<a href="http://h.root-servers.net/">h.root-servers.net</a>.
<dd>. 10431 IN
NS
<a href="http://k.root-servers.net/">k.root-servers.net</a>.
<dd>. 10431 IN
NS
<a href="http://g.root-servers.net/">g.root-servers.net</a>.
<dd>. 10431 IN
NS
<a href="http://d.root-servers.net/">d.root-servers.net</a>.
<dd>. 10431 IN
NS
<a href="http://f.root-servers.net/">f.root-servers.net</a>.
<dd>. 10431 IN
NS
<a href="http://j.root-servers.net/">j.root-servers.net</a>.
<dd>. 10431 IN
NS
<a href="http://m.root-servers.net/">m.root-servers.net</a>.
<dd>. 10431 IN
NS
<a href="http://e.root-servers.net/">e.root-servers.net</a>.
<dd>. 10431 IN
NS
<a href="http://b.root-servers.net/">b.root-servers.net</a>.
<dd>. 10431 IN
NS
<a href="http://l.root-servers.net/">l.root-servers.net</a>.
<dd>. 10431 IN
NS
<a href="http://i.root-servers.net/">i.root-servers.net</a>.
<dd>;; Received 228 bytes from 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) in 45 ms<br>
<dd>net. 172800 IN NS
<a href="http://h.gtld-servers.net/">h.gtld-servers.net</a>.
<dd>net. 172800 IN NS
<a href="http://e.gtld-servers.net/">e.gtld-servers.net</a>.
<dd>net. 172800 IN NS
<a href="http://m.gtld-servers.net/">m.gtld-servers.net</a>.
<dd>net. 172800 IN NS
<a href="http://c.gtld-servers.net/">c.gtld-servers.net</a>.
<dd>net. 172800 IN NS
<a href="http://k.gtld-servers.net/">k.gtld-servers.net</a>.
<dd>net. 172800 IN NS
<a href="http://g.gtld-servers.net/">g.gtld-servers.net</a>.
<dd>net. 172800 IN NS
<a href="http://j.gtld-servers.net/">j.gtld-servers.net</a>.
<dd>net. 172800 IN NS
<a href="http://b.gtld-servers.net/">b.gtld-servers.net</a>.
<dd>net. 172800 IN NS
<a href="http://d.gtld-servers.net/">d.gtld-servers.net</a>.
<dd>net. 172800 IN NS
<a href="http://f.gtld-servers.net/">f.gtld-servers.net</a>.
<dd>net. 172800 IN NS
<a href="http://i.gtld-servers.net/">i.gtld-servers.net</a>.
<dd>net. 172800 IN NS
<a href="http://l.gtld-servers.net/">l.gtld-servers.net</a>.
<dd>net. 172800 IN NS
<a href="http://a.gtld-servers.net/">a.gtld-servers.net</a>.
<dd>;; Received 507 bytes from
192.33.4.12#53(<a href="http://c.root-servers.net/">c.root-servers.net</a>
) in 46 ms<br><br>
<dd><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/">theglobaljournal.net</a>.
172800 IN NS
<a href="http://a.dns.gandi.net/">a.dns.gandi.net</a>.
<dd><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/">theglobaljournal.net</a>.
172800 IN NS
<a href="http://b.dns.gandi.net/">b.dns.gandi.net</a>.
<dd><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/">theglobaljournal.net</a>.
172800 IN NS
<a href="http://c.dns.gandi.net/">c.dns.gandi.net</a>.
<dd>;; Received 228 bytes from
192.54.112.30#53(<a href="http://h.gtld-servers.net/">
h.gtld-servers.net</a>) in 122 ms<br><br>
<dd><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/">theglobaljournal.net</a>.
600 IN MX 10
<a href="http://spool.mail.gandi.net/">spool.mail.gandi.net</a>.
<dd><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/">theglobaljournal.net</a>.
600 IN MX 50
<a href="http://fb.mail.gandi.net/">fb.mail.gandi.net</a>.
<dd><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/">theglobaljournal.net</a>.
10800 IN NS
<a href="http://c.dns.gandi.net/">c.dns.gandi.net</a>.
<dd><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/">theglobaljournal.net</a>.
10800 IN NS
<a href="http://b.dns.gandi.net/">b.dns.gandi.net</a>.
<dd><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net/">theglobaljournal.net</a>.
10800 IN NS
<a href="http://a.dns.gandi.net/">a.dns.gandi.net</a>.
<dd>;; Received 142 bytes from
173.246.98.1#53(<a href="http://a.dns.gandi.net/">a.dns.gandi.net</a>) in
39 ms<br>
<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>That chinese proposal is not a technical one - it is a smokescreen
for a
<dd>political move.</blockquote>
<dd>Censorship seems to be the motivation.<br>
<dd>Any civil society that actually winds up supporting
it<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>finds itself endorsing a multilateral model where civil society,
industry or
<dd>other non government stakeholders are shut off from decision
making.<br>
<dd>If that is your intent, then please do say so in slightly clearer
terms than
<dd>you have so far.</blockquote><br>
<dd>If you are looking for a chinese proposal to scale the root, the one
<dd>described here seems to be less offensive to CS
sensibilities:<br><br>
<dd>
<a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141107_secure_unowned_hierarchical_anycast_root_name_service_and_apologia/">
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141107_secure_unowned_hierarchical_anycast_root_name_service_and_apologia/</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>--
<dd>Cheers,<br>
<dd>McTim
<dd>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it
is. A
<dd>route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
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