AW: [governance] A Response re. Just Net Coalition and Internet Social Forum

Fri Jan 30 06:04:21 EST 2015

Hi Jean Lois, Sean etc.

good that you remember the Geneva CS declaration from 2003. As you know, the WSIS 10 conference in December 2015 will be a purely intergovernmental meeting with a final intergovernmental document. They want to have a multistakeholder discussion phase before the intergovernmental negotiations phase. With other words, there is no way for CS to participate in the drafting of the final document from a CS perspective. 

As you know I have proposed (from confusion to clarification) that CS organisations start to be more concrete in their discussions and bring substantial ideas to the various agenda points (my four baskets)in form of a CS IG Handbook. As you have seen from the conversation this is not easy and produces a broad range of supporting and opposing voices. However, such a "Civil Society Internet Governance Handbook" would only make a contribution to the planned WSIS 10+ multistakeholder consultations. It would not constitute a document like the CS Geneva Declaration from 2003. 

It would be great if somebody could start also a drafting process for a CS Statement for WSIS 10+ in New York. Such an Independent document should take the Geneva Declarationm from 2003 as a starting point and check what has been achieved and what not and what remains to be done. One could formulate some new objectives and pout this into an Independent document called "A Civil Society WSIS 2025 Agenda". 

Wolfgang

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: re: [governance] A Response re. Just Net Coalition and Internet Social Forum

Dear Sean,

I warmly thank you for your smoothing words ; right now we need them, particularly on our lists :-)

I also remembrer your involvment in WSIS as soon as it began in 2002. During its course, CS (i.a. with Bill Mc Iver and Sally Burch) did a good job and was strong enough to elaborate and adopt its own Declaration, in Geneva and in Tunis; they still reference documents for us, even if many new issues did appear since then.

As you, Sean, I feel well in ISF and the spirit it inherited from WSF. 

Best regards

Jean-Louis Fullsack

> Message du 30/01/15 09:53
> De : "Sean O Siochru" 
> A : governance at lists.igcaucus.org
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> Objet : [governance] A Response re. Just Net Coalition and Internet Social Forum
> 
> HI everyone
> 
> I read Jeremy Malcolm's comments about JNC and ISF (and I see a follow up 
> by Philip Corwin) in IGF 
> watch: 
> http://igfwatch.org/discussion-board/who-are-the-just-net-coalition-and-what-can-we-expect-from-the-internet-social-forum#TIZtZ3Dh3r82NcRd0TaSzw. 
> I think it was reposted on this list.
> 
> As a self-confessed serial communication activist of 30 years - and as a 
> member of JNC and involved in the ISF idea - I am pretty flabbergasted, 
> but also a bit insulted by them.
> 
> I don't recognise the JNC and ISF described in Jeremy's note. The people he 
> singles out are highly active in both but I can assure him that JNC is a 
> lot more than them and has lively and open debate. It is not a mouthpiece 
> for any clique - to suggest it is denigrates the multitude of others 
> involved - but it is a serious effort to raise the need for truly 
> democratic internet governance.
> 
> As for the Internet Social Forum idea: Like the WSF itself, it is wide 
> open. By its very structure none can dominate it - we all need simply to 
> respect the SWF basic philosophy. Yes, it will take a lot of logistical 
> effort and I applaud anyone willing to take that on. But the real 
> beneficiaries of an ISF will be all those who want to share ideas on 
> 'another Internet is possible' and then - after the event - want to start 
> to build it with like-minded people. There are no hidden agendas there, and 
> it is a great opportunity to bring in activists from all kinds of different 
> areas into this key debate.
> 
> All are welcome, Sean
> 
> 
> Seán Ó Siochrú: sean at nexus.ie tel: +353 1 272 0739 mobile: +353 87 2048150
> 14 Eaton Brae, Shankill, Co. Dublin, Ireland
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