[governance] [bestbits] Internet Social Forum

Thu Jan 29 13:54:21 EST 2015

+1
Well said.
Money Yes but Fairness should be supreme.. 

No Bribes, Lies,  Detractions or Favours..among other unfair games which are played. 

A very tall Wish List or a bitter pill?

Kind regards

Yassin 

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From: Mehrzad Azghandi <mehrzad.azghandi at gmail.com> 
Date:29/01/2015  15:48  (GMT+02:00) 
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,"chlebrum ." <chlebrum at gmail.com> 
Cc: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] Internet Social Forum 

So, where is the real Civil Society, when there are something in minds and opposite in speeches! . This is the truly Achilles' heel of MS-ism, when there are rare truly independent people in CS as well as there are among Academia & Technical.

I agree that money is the issue for anybody, and we can't blame anybody who earn affordable money for his/her time and efforts. But the case of Big Money is different and is mostly concerned, when we are talking about $600K, which is officially announced, or when there are other investments which are hided from us!. I don't think that anybody believe that this procedure will get forward without money, but the presence of community may guaranty the accountability in process on actual movements and others in future. 

On the other side, do we have any other options at his critical point, except moving forward and discussing more and more, trying to purify and empower Civil Society and MS-ism and truly decentralization?

I believe, independent people should participate in any possible way, and be ware that Money is a never ending story all around the world and Big Money knows how to find its way, even they participate or not. Money is assumed to accelerate the procedure, but at the moment, we are making it as a barrier for the community.

I was just thinking: what is forcing us to choose between NM initiative and ISF, or any other initiatives in future, when we claim we are independence and neutral, and trying to support MS-ism in any various perspectives? I suggest any individual may/should participate and support both or several, if he/she believes the principles of MS-ism; Transparency, Bottom up, Diversity, etc. 

BR 

Mehrzad Azghandi

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:18 PM, chlebrum . <chlebrum at gmail.com> wrote:
It is funny to see an ICANN lobbyist  cannot believe that we can mobilize for something else than money (hey yes, we pay oneself our travels in the real civil society or what we are not submarines governments (and wicked governments wicked, obviously).

In fact, he discovers ... real people

Chantal Lebrument
Courriel: chlebrum at gmail.com
Mob: +33 6 8369 5460

2015-01-27 18:01 GMT+01:00 McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>:
Quoting a CircleID piece by Philip Corwin:

http://www.circleid.com/posts/20150125_occupy_ig_internet_social_forum_targets_netmundial_initiative/

"The author is not familiar with most of the groups constituting ISF. As always, a good rule for understanding true intent is "follow the money". We'd find it illuminating to know where they get their funding and whether any state actors are involved (and a colleague more familiar with the global IG scene advises that at least several are indeed closely linked to their national governments, and are unsurprisingly more favorable toward the government-led multilateral approach on IG than the private sector oriented MSM). So there is some question as to whether ISF is a genuine grassroots Netizen movement — or a convergence of government-dominated organizations pairing with "useful idiot” entities to pursue a broader and more pernicious agenda of undermining the MSM and replacing it with a UN-led, government-dominated one. "

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 1:23 AM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:
Quoted a Register piece written by Kieren McCarthy
Hibernating NetMundial continues to rattle internet governance world reg.cx/2dZG

As to NetMundial's three-month consultation period, that will seemingly be led by respected internet governance academic and ICANN Board member Wolfgang Kleinwachter. The NetMundial organizers did not reveal how much they will pay Kleinwachter to lend the initiative his credibility, but his first attempt to make the internet community learn to love the idea came in the form of a blog post at the start of the year.

Le 24 janv. 2015 à 00:21, parminder a écrit :

On Friday 23 January 2015 11:31 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote:
Hi Parminder,

how the ISF is linked to the IGF?

Hi Wolfgang

One is a civil society forum, the other a multistakeholder one. One develops people's and civil society's positions on the key issue of the global Internet, the other is a place where such positions can enter into dialogue with holders of political and economic power - the governments and the corporate actors.

Unless now the whole idea and concept of civil society - and along with those of people's movements, grassroots, activism, and so on - has been fully coopted in some people's mind with that of multistakeholderism (whatever one actually means by it, something that has remained notoriously unclear), the connection or link that you inquire about is extremely clear to me.

Internet is not the first thing for which there has been felt a need for 'independently' forming a people's conception and set of hopes, expectations and demands - away from conclaves of power. There have been scores of others, and newer ones continue to arise. Accordingly if people's and civil society forums etc have been meaningful and needed in these areas, it is incumbent upon *those* who think they are *not needed* in the Internet space to explain why it is so, then the other way around.

To put is somewhat flippantly, ISF is also a reaction of people who are fed up with an ongoing IG charade where for instance Fadi Chehade can with a straight face call the WEF's Net Mundial Initiative as the 'mother of all bottom -up processes' - even jokes require some plausibility limits!

To take the example of one of the latest international global forums on a key global governance issue, the Lima meeting on climate change, you will perhaps know that parallel to it a people's meeting was held. Internet and its governance also needs such meetings, that is the simple logic of the Internet Social Forum. If you think that in the Internet's case, such meetings and forums are not needed, I would of course be curious to hear your case.

I am happy to engage further with you on this issue, and answer your questions.

Lastly, let me invite you to join the ISF process. We work under the World Social Forum (WSF) process and principles - whereby its meetings are open to all civil society participants subject to very inimum conditions that are listed on their website.

Further, if the discussion is to now turn to the WSF, its meaning, relevance, etc, I am as happy to engage with you on that subject.

Regards, parminder

Wolfgang

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On Thursday 22 January 2015 07:06 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote:
Global Civil Society launches the Internet Social Forum
- With a call to occupy the Internet

PRESS RELEASE. Geneva, Switzerland, 22st January, 2015.

A group of civil society organisations from around the world has
announced the Internet Social Forum, to bring together and articulate
bottom-up perspectives on the 'Internet we want'. Taking inspiration
from the World Social Forum, and its clarion call, 'Another World is
possible', the group seeks to draw urgent attention to the increasing
centralization of the Internet for extraction of monopoly rents and for
socio-political control, asserting that 'Another Internet is possible'!

The Internet Social Forum will inter alia offer an alternative to the
recently-launched World Economic Forum's 'Net Mundial Initiative' on
global Internet governance. While the World Economic Forum (WEF) and
the 'Net Mundial Initiative' convene global elites, the Internet Social
Forum will be a participatory and bottom-up space for all those who
believe that the global Internet must evolve in the public interest; a
direct parallel to the launch of the World Social Forum in 2001 as a
counter initiative to the WEF.

The Internet Social Forum will reach out to grassroots groups and
social movements across the world, catalysing a groundswell that
challenges the entrenched elite interests that currently control how
the Internet is managed. The Internet Social Forum's preparatory
process will kick off during the World Social Forum to take place in
Tunis, March 24th to 28th, 2015. The Internet Social Forum itself is
planned to be held either late 2015 or early 2016.

"While the world's biggest companies have every right to debate the
future of the Internet, we are concerned that their perspectives should
not drown out those of ordinary people who have no access to the
privileged terrain WEF occupies - in the end it is this wider public
interest that must be paramount in governing the Internet. We are
organising the Internet Social Forum to make sure their voices can't be
ignored in the corridors of power," said Norbert Bollow, Co-Convenor of
the Just Net Coalition, which is one of the groups involved in the
initiative.

The Internet Social Forum, and its preparatory process, is intended as
a space to vision and build the 'Internet we want'. It will be
underpinned by values of democracy, human rights and social justice. It
will stand for participatory policy making and promote community media.
It will seek an Internet that is truly decentralized in its
architecture and based on people's full rights to data, information,
knowledge and other 'commons' that the Internet has enabled the world
community to generate and share.

Somewhat similar to Web inventor Tim Berners-Lee's call for a 'Magna
Carta for the Internet', the Internet Social Forum proposes to develop
a People's Internet Manifesto, through a bottom-up process involving
all concerned social groups and movements, in different areas, from
techies and ICT-for-development actors to media reform groups,
democracy movements and social justice activists.

This year will also see the 10 year high-level review of the World
Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), to be held in New York in
December. As a full-scale review of a major UN summit, this will be a
critical global political event. Since the WSIS, held in 2003 and 2005,
the Internet, and what it means socially, has undergone a paradigm
shift. The WSIS witnessed active engagement of civil society and
technical groups as well as of business. However, currently, there
seems to be an deliberate attempt to sideline this UN-led initiative on
governance issues of the information society and Internet in favour of
private, big-business-dominated initiatives like the WEF's Net Mundial
Initiative. The Internet Social Forum, while remaining primarily a
people's forum, will also seek to channel global civil society's
engagement towards the WSIS +10 review.

The following organisations form the initial group that is proposing
the Internet Social Forum, and many more are expected to join in the
immediate future. This is an open call to progressive groups from all
over the world to join this initiative, and participate in developing a
People's Internet Manifesto.

Just Net Coalition, Global
P2P Foundation, Global
Transnational Institute, Global
Forum on Communication for Integration of our America, Regional (Latin
America) Arab NGO Network for Development, Regional
Agencia Latinoamericana de Información, Regional
Alternative Informatics Association, Turkey
Knowledge Commons, India
Open-Root/EUROLINC, France
SLFC.in, India
CODE-IP Trust, Kenya
GodlyGlobal.org, Switzerland
Centre for Community Informatics Research, Development and Training,
Canada IT for Change, India
Association for Proper Internet Governance, Switzerland
Computer Professionals Union, Philippines
Free Press, USA
Advocates of Science and Technology for the People, Philippines
Other News, Italy
Free Software Movement of India
Global_Geneva, Switzerland
Solidarius (Solidarity Economy Network), Italy
All India Peoples Science Network, India
Institute for Local Self-Reliance - Community Broadband Networks, USA

Please contact us at secretariat at InternetSocialForum.net for further
information or clarification.

Or the following regional contacts:

Africa: Alex Gakaru <AlexG at InternetSocialForum.net>
Asia: Rishab Bailey <RishabB at InternetSocialForum.net>
Europe: Norbert Bollow <NorbertB at InternetSocialForum.net>
North America: Micheal Gurstein <MichealG at InternetSocialForum.net>
South America: Sally Burch <SallyB at InternetSocialForum.net>

This press release is also available online, e.g. at
http://justnetcoalition.org/ISF

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