[governance] Re: [] Internet Social Forum-->Jeremy's Jeremiad and Philip's Phillipic
Avri Doria
avri at acm.org
Wed Jan 28 12:28:22 EST 2015
(repeat of reply sent to Bestbits)
Hi,
I must say, I am in complete agreement with the notion that a lie
repeated often enough neither becomes the truth nor represents that
which is the case.
A main issue, however, is identifying whose statements constitute lies,
and I expect there are differences of opinion on who is putting forward
falsehoods.
Beyond that, I did not know we had any US Senators on this list.
Living or dead.
avri
On 28-Jan-15 11:00, michael gurstein wrote:
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> McTim (or should I say (Sen.) McCarthy…
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> I’m hoping that folks are wise enough not to think that if a lie is
> repeated often enough and loudly enough and particularly if it can be
> referenced to a blogpost with a reference to a (slightly deranged err
> over the top) blogpost that provides significantly distorted and
> selective references to a further set of documents then somehow it has
> a reality beyond simply self-interested commentary (sigh, but such is
> the Internet…
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>
> And now to:
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> Jeremy’s Jeremiad <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiad> and
> Phillip’s Philippic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippic>
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> As they say the worst insult is to be ignored, and no publicity is bad
> publicity… so thanks folks for spreading the word about the JNC and
> the ISF.
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> That Philip got it wrong following Jeremy’s wild distortions and
> misrepresentations shouldn’t be too surprising. I’ll leave a detailed
> cross referencing between reality and what Jeremy has oozed out to
> others with a more Talmudic bent but just to say that I’m expecting a
> libel action to be forthcoming from my PM Stephen Harper at the
> possibility that he might be funding my contributions to the JNC or
> the ISF (I would expect similar rumblings from various of the other
> “state actors” to which he might so circuitously and ponderously be
> referring).
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>
>
> But just to note—it is only in the minds of the profoundly
> anti-democratic (and historically illiterate) that statements to the
> effect that “The right to make Internet-related public policies lies
> exclusively with those who legitimately and directly represent
> people”is (mis) represented as calling for governance solely by and
> through existing governmental (or inter-governmental) structures or
> more specifically existing and very often undemocratic and
> unrepresentative governments and state structures/actors (whoever they
> may be).
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> *From:*governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of *McTim
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 27, 2015 9:02 AM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The
> Global Journal
> *Cc:* parminder; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net; discuss at 1net.org >> 1Net
> List
> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Internet Social Forum
>
>
>
> Quoting a CircleID piece by Philip Corwin:
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> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20150125_occupy_ig_internet_social_forum_targets_netmundial_initiative/
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> "The author is not familiar with most of the groups constituting ISF.
> As always, a good rule for understanding true intent is "follow the
> money". We'd find it illuminating to know where they get their funding
> and whether any state actors are involved (and a colleague more
> familiar with the global IG scene advises that at least several are
> indeed closely linked to their national governments, and are
> unsurprisingly more favorable toward the government-led multilateral
> approach on IG than the private sector oriented MSM). So there is some
> question as to whether ISF is a genuine grassroots Netizen movement —
> or a convergence of government-dominated organizations pairing with
> "useful idiot <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot>” entities
> to pursue a broader and more pernicious agenda of undermining the MSM
> and replacing it with a UN-led, government-dominated one. "
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> On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 1:23 AM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global
> Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net
> <mailto:jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net>> wrote:
>
> Quoted a Register piece written by Kieren McCarthy
>
> Hibernating NetMundial continues to rattle internet governance
> world reg.cx/2dZG <http://t.co/0D2vSUtqqf>
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> As to NetMundial's three-month consultation period, that will
> seemingly be led by respected internet governance academic and ICANN
> Board member Wolfgang Kleinwachter. The NetMundial organizers did not
> reveal how much they will pay Kleinwachter to lend the initiative his
> credibility, but his first attempt to make the internet community
> learn to love the idea came in the form of a blog post
> <http://www.circleid.com/posts/20150103_internet_governance_outlook_2015_2_processes_many_venues_4_baskets/> at
> the start of the year.
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> Le 24 janv. 2015 à 00:21, parminder a écrit :
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> On Friday 23 January 2015 11:31 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote:
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> Hi Parminder,
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>
>
> how the ISF is linked to the IGF?
>
>
> Hi Wolfgang
>
> One is a civil society forum, the other a multistakeholder one. One
> develops people's and civil society's positions on the key issue of
> the global Internet, the other is a place where such positions can
> enter into dialogue with holders of political and economic power - the
> governments and the corporate actors.
>
> Unless now the whole idea and concept of civil society - and along
> with those of people's movements, grassroots, activism, and so on -
> has been fully coopted in some people's mind with that of
> multistakeholderism (whatever one actually means by it, something that
> has remained notoriously unclear), the connection or link that you
> inquire about is extremely clear to me.
>
> Internet is not the first thing for which there has been felt a need
> for 'independently' forming a people's conception and set of hopes,
> expectations and demands - away from conclaves of power. There have
> been scores of others, and newer ones continue to arise. Accordingly
> if people's and civil society forums etc have been meaningful and
> needed in these areas, it is incumbent upon *those* who think they are
> *not needed* in the Internet space to explain why it is so, then the
> other way around.
>
> To put is somewhat flippantly, ISF is also a reaction of people who
> are fed up with an ongoing IG charade where for instance Fadi Chehade
> can with a straight face call the WEF's Net Mundial Initiative as the
> 'mother of all bottom -up processes' - even jokes require some
> plausibility limits!
>
> To take the example of one of the latest international global forums
> on a key global governance issue, the Lima meeting on climate change,
> you will perhaps know that parallel to it a people's meeting was held.
> Internet and its governance also needs such meetings, that is the
> simple logic of the Internet Social Forum. If you think that in the
> Internet's case, such meetings and forums are not needed, I would of
> course be curious to hear your case.
>
> I am happy to engage further with you on this issue, and answer your
> questions.
>
> Lastly, let me invite you to join the ISF process. We work under the
> World Social Forum (WSF) process and principles - whereby its meetings
> are open to all civil society participants subject to very inimum
> conditions that are listed on their website.
>
> Further, if the discussion is to now turn to the WSF, its meaning,
> relevance, etc, I am as happy to engage with you on that subject.
>
> Regards, parminder
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> Wolfgang
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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> parminder
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> Gesendet: Do 22.01.2015 17:01
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> An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
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> Betreff: Re: [governance] Internet Social Forum
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> Enclosed Spanish version... parminder
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> On Thursday 22 January 2015 07:06 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote:
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> Global Civil Society launches the Internet Social Forum
>
> - With a call to occupy the Internet
>
>
>
> PRESS RELEASE. Geneva, Switzerland, 22st January, 2015.
>
>
>
> A group of civil society organisations from around the world has
>
> announced the Internet Social Forum, to bring together and
> articulate
>
> bottom-up perspectives on the 'Internet we want'. Taking
> inspiration
>
> from the World Social Forum, and its clarion call, 'Another
> World is
>
> possible', the group seeks to draw urgent attention to the
> increasing
>
> centralization of the Internet for extraction of monopoly
> rents and for
>
> socio-political control, asserting that 'Another Internet is
> possible'!
>
>
>
> The Internet Social Forum will inter alia offer an alternative
> to the
>
> recently-launched World Economic Forum's 'Net Mundial
> Initiative' on
>
> global Internet governance. While the World Economic Forum
> (WEF) and
>
> the 'Net Mundial Initiative' convene global elites, the
> Internet Social
>
> Forum will be a participatory and bottom-up space for all
> those who
>
> believe that the global Internet must evolve in the public
> interest; a
>
> direct parallel to the launch of the World Social Forum in
> 2001 as a
>
> counter initiative to the WEF.
>
>
>
> The Internet Social Forum will reach out to grassroots groups and
>
> social movements across the world, catalysing a groundswell that
>
> challenges the entrenched elite interests that currently
> control how
>
> the Internet is managed. The Internet Social Forum's preparatory
>
> process will kick off during the World Social Forum to take
> place in
>
> Tunis, March 24th to 28th, 2015. The Internet Social Forum
> itself is
>
> planned to be held either late 2015 or early 2016.
>
>
>
> "While the world's biggest companies have every right to
> debate the
>
> future of the Internet, we are concerned that their
> perspectives should
>
> not drown out those of ordinary people who have no access to the
>
> privileged terrain WEF occupies - in the end it is this wider
> public
>
> interest that must be paramount in governing the Internet. We are
>
> organising the Internet Social Forum to make sure their voices
> can't be
>
> ignored in the corridors of power," said Norbert Bollow,
> Co-Convenor of
>
> the Just Net Coalition, which is one of the groups involved in the
>
> initiative.
>
>
>
> The Internet Social Forum, and its preparatory process, is
> intended as
>
> a space to vision and build the 'Internet we want'. It will be
>
> underpinned by values of democracy, human rights and social
> justice. It
>
> will stand for participatory policy making and promote
> community media.
>
> It will seek an Internet that is truly decentralized in its
>
> architecture and based on people's full rights to data,
> information,
>
> knowledge and other 'commons' that the Internet has enabled
> the world
>
> community to generate and share.
>
>
>
> Somewhat similar to Web inventor Tim Berners-Lee's call for a
> 'Magna
>
> Carta for the Internet', the Internet Social Forum proposes to
> develop
>
> a People's Internet Manifesto, through a bottom-up process
> involving
>
> all concerned social groups and movements, in different areas,
> from
>
> techies and ICT-for-development actors to media reform groups,
>
> democracy movements and social justice activists.
>
>
>
> This year will also see the 10 year high-level review of the World
>
> Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), to be held in New
> York in
>
> December. As a full-scale review of a major UN summit, this
> will be a
>
> critical global political event. Since the WSIS, held in 2003
> and 2005,
>
> the Internet, and what it means socially, has undergone a paradigm
>
> shift. The WSIS witnessed active engagement of civil society and
>
> technical groups as well as of business. However, currently, there
>
> seems to be an deliberate attempt to sideline this UN-led
> initiative on
>
> governance issues of the information society and Internet in
> favour of
>
> private, big-business-dominated initiatives like the WEF's Net
> Mundial
>
> Initiative. The Internet Social Forum, while remaining primarily a
>
> people's forum, will also seek to channel global civil society's
>
> engagement towards the WSIS +10 review.
>
>
>
> The following organisations form the initial group that is
> proposing
>
> the Internet Social Forum, and many more are expected to join
> in the
>
> immediate future. This is an open call to progressive groups
> from all
>
> over the world to join this initiative, and participate in
> developing a
>
> People's Internet Manifesto.
>
>
>
> Just Net Coalition, Global
>
> P2P Foundation, Global
>
> Transnational Institute, Global
>
> Forum on Communication for Integration of our America,
> Regional (Latin
>
> America) Arab NGO Network for Development, Regional
>
> Agencia Latinoamericana de Información, Regional
>
> Alternative Informatics Association, Turkey
>
> Knowledge Commons, India
>
> Open-Root/EUROLINC, France
>
> SLFC.in, India
>
> CODE-IP Trust, Kenya
>
> GodlyGlobal.org <http://GodlyGlobal.org>, Switzerland
>
> Centre for Community Informatics Research, Development and
> Training,
>
> Canada IT for Change, India
>
> Association for Proper Internet Governance, Switzerland
>
> Computer Professionals Union, Philippines
>
> Free Press, USA
>
> Advocates of Science and Technology for the People, Philippines
>
> Other News, Italy
>
> Free Software Movement of India
>
> Global_Geneva, Switzerland
>
> Solidarius (Solidarity Economy Network), Italy
>
> All India Peoples Science Network, India
>
> Institute for Local Self-Reliance - Community Broadband
> Networks, USA
>
>
>
> Please contact us at secretariat at InternetSocialForum.net
> <mailto:secretariat at InternetSocialForum.net> for further
>
> information or clarification.
>
>
>
> Or the following regional contacts:
>
>
>
> Africa: Alex Gakaru <AlexG at InternetSocialForum.net
> <mailto:AlexG at InternetSocialForum.net>>
>
> Asia: Rishab Bailey <RishabB at InternetSocialForum.net
> <mailto:RishabB at InternetSocialForum.net>>
>
> Europe: Norbert Bollow
> <NorbertB at InternetSocialForum.net
> <mailto:NorbertB at InternetSocialForum.net>>
>
> North America: Micheal Gurstein
> <MichealG at InternetSocialForum.net
> <mailto:MichealG at InternetSocialForum.net>>
>
> South America: Sally Burch <SallyB at InternetSocialForum.net
> <mailto:SallyB at InternetSocialForum.net>>
>
>
>
>
>
> This press release is also available online, e.g. at
>
> http://justnetcoalition.org/ISF
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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