[governance] A different frame

Jean-Christophe Nothias jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com
Wed Jan 21 05:56:18 EST 2015 

e-thee who holds the world in his hands!

Thanks to you and Barry for these thoughts and info.

JC


Le 21 janv. 2015 à 11:46, Jefsey a écrit :

> At 03:08 21/01/2015, Barry Shein wrote:
> 
>> > > <https://johnc1912.wordpress.com/2015/01/18/a-different-way-of-looking-at-things/%20> from
>> 
>> Does anyone actually believe this? That the development of the
>> internet avoided political questions?
>> 
>> I've been involved with the internet since the 1970s and it always
>> seemed to me every new technology raised political and rights
>> questions almost to the point of tears.
> 
> So did I.
> The worst one was the US political choice for the global spread of the internet status-quo strategy we are seeing politically evoluting nowadays as a "neutrality/permissionless innovation" culture of "multistakeholders" against an "omnistakeholders" reality.
> 
> Up to the point Jari Arkko has transitioned the IETF to the USIETF for its 29th birthday (http://www.ietf.org/blog/) where the NTIA has ***replaced*** the IAB.
> 
> I quote:
> "
> * Both the numbers and names communities need to complete their proposals. We at the IETF will continue engage with them with their work, just as they assisted us with ours.
> * Later, the IANA Transition Coordination Group (ICG) will assemble a complete proposal and gather community feedback on the result. When ready, they will submit the final proposal to the NTIA.
> * The NTIA  must then consider and approve the proposal.
> * Finally it must be implemented.
> "
> 
> This is politically conformant to the RFC 6852 where IEEE, IAB, IETF, ISOC, and W3C state: "We embrace a modern paradigm for standards where the economics of global markets, fueled by technological advancements, drive global deployment of standards regardless of their formal status." We now know that the politicotechnical referent for the I*gang internet is the NTIA.
> 
> This is quite different from the master of my use of the collective FLOSS Catenet, as everyone, is me. The WSIS information society is to be "people centered, à caractère humain, centrada en la persona". The political opposition to that is to make it US (IETF) or WEF (ICANN) oriented.
> 
> This why we are engaging the Catenet.Coop projet for a non-political collective/cooperative/concerted intelligent use of our interconnected datacommunications resources and we will use a French law "SCIC" (common interest cooperative corporation) that "says one stakeholder, one vote; permits people, corporations and states to associate; and does not require capital funding - we all paid for our common catenet for a long).
> 
> Because Aristotle invented architectonics (the discipline of reality) as the ***science*** of politics, of which the ***art*** is to lead free men - whose the sociability is now computer facilitated.
> 
> Cheers !!!
> 
> jfc
> 
> NB. "I want to know about the vast conspiracy which, for as long as I can remember, has resulted in Barry Shein's always saying something that is more interesting and intelligent than everything everyone else (including me [and possibly Jefsey]) has said about the same topics. - Mark Dominus, on Facebook, 27 July 2009."
> Le Monde C'est Lui !
> 
>> The author gives an example of an IETF discussion about determining
>> location from browsers and how when possible misuse was raised by him
>> the participants shrugged him off, not our concern, he surmised.
>> 
>> It's not that they refused to consider the possible negative
>> implications. It's that technology tends to progress in parallel to
>> such considerations.
>> 
>> You can't just rathole every technical discussion with possible
>> negative implications any more than it would be appreciated if I, a
>> rather technical person, would rathole discussions on a list like this
>> with technical discourse. Most of you wouldn't even survive the hail
>> of acronyms any more than technical people could survive yours.
>> 
>> You'd get bored to the point of irritation or apathy, we'd make no
>> progress, the number of people present with expertise to judge whether
>> technical proposals were feasible is low in density here, and the
>> organization of the discussion is not suited to the convergence of
>> technical ideas.
>> 
>> I regularly see comments made here that indicate technical naivete but
>> then I try to refocus my mind on the more political aspect being
>> expressed rather than, analogous to the author, interrupt with
>> technical improvements or insights.
>> 
>> Look at what happened last week when I simply tried to point out how
>> the layers of the net are actually managed as opposed to the truncated
>> block-diagram fantasies many seem to work from.
>> 
>> The subject of the comment ignored me, sent a maverick who tried to
>> answer with a snarky two-word reply, and otherwise...silence (other
>> than a few if I may say applause lines sent privately to me.)
>> 
>> Trust me, technical people reading this list are as flabbergasted as
>> the author tries to express.
>> 
>> Rather than trying to draw such us vs them / tribalistic distinctions
>> -- my two-cent summary of that blog post -- perhaps it would be better
>> if we tried to work on these problems together?
>> 
>> This is a very complex interdisciplinary subject area, much like arms
>> control as one analogy. You're not going to make it by driving off or
>> trivializing people with a different skill set and focus.
>> 
>> --
>>        -Barry Shein
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