[governance] Towards an Internet Social Forum

David Cake dave at difference.com.au
Fri Feb 6 21:18:26 EST 2015 

I am not aware of any systematic research being performed on this process, though some participants in the process are academics and may well write about aspects of it.

Regards

David

On 7 Feb 2015, at 7:58 am, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting Wolfgang (and David pointed to this as well...
> 
> Is anyone doing systematic research on this particularly within a research
> protocol that reflects some of the issues currently being discussed on this
> list and elsewhere with respect to MS models?
> 
> M
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
> [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de]
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 2:09 PM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein;
> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Jeremy Malcolm
> Subject: AW: [governance] Towards an Internet Social Forum
> 
> An interesting test case for a "new MSM" could become the process underway
> with the IANA Transition and ICANN accountability. This is "learning by
> doing" and procedures are emerging in a bottom up, open and transparent
> process.
> 
> Wolfgang
> 
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von michael gurstein
> Gesendet: Fr 06.02.2015 21:00
> An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; 'Jeremy Malcolm'
> Betreff: RE: [governance] Towards an Internet Social Forum
> 
> As I've said before I personally would be delighted to explore with you or
> anyone else innovations in global Internet mediated governance.  I think
> this is particularly important and even necessary in our current historical
> moment given the challenges that the Internet transformations are
> introducing including through onrushing globalism, the quite general
> disillusionment with traditional forms of democratic representation, and the
> challenges to and seeming stalling or even retreat of effective democratic
> participation in governance in many parts of the world.
> 
> I personally think that it is an open question, but one very much worth
> serious examination as to how various alternative approaches to more broadly
> effective governance such as MSism might be enabled in the current context
> and if or how they might contribute to more effective democracy/democracies
> and democratic governance.
> 
> I think that this would be a most desirable and useful interim alternative
> to simply asserting the necessity, superiority and benefits of MSism and
> then proceeding to attempt to create highly contestible MS realities on the
> ground.
> 
> M
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Malcolm
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 11:26 AM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> Subject: Re: [governance] Towards an Internet Social Forum
> 
> On 5/02/2015 11:30 pm, michael gurstein wrote:
>> Each time you've asked you've been answered, so I'm not sure that
>> anything I could say would satisfy you, even if I had the time to
>> reply at length which I don't.  So just some quick points.
>> 
>> [MG>] and a few in return... (and yes, each time I've been "answered"
>> with similar statements as below i.e. statements of the "well we can't
>> point to anything right now but come back in xxx years or so and we'll
>> have a good set of MS models to show you...; circular and
>> self-reflexive arguments/definitions;  pointing to unpublished Ph.D.
>> theses; that sort of thing... hardly the stuff for replacing 3000
>> years of building popular democracy and hardly sufficient (hopefully)
>> to persuade us to all stampede towards governance by unelected elites
>> unless you are already committed in that direction...
> 
> I knew I should have followed my better judgment and not replied.  Can we
> henceforth just save some time and accept that you are less open to
> exploring multi-stakeholder innovations in democratic global governance than
> other of us are, and leave it at that?  Rather than mischaracterising these
> efforts as promoting "governance by unelected elites" which long ago became
> tiresome.
> 
>> [MG>] This is the best you can do? Describing the governance model to
>> which you are asking the world to entrust the electronic
>> infrastructure which increasingly underlies all aspects of daily
>> life--as "a work in progress"; as the "work" of a [ rant snipped here
>> ] as a bunch of half cooked proposals squirreled away in inaccessible
>> jargon and inaccessible blogs; and as a one two day event organized to
>> respond to an Internet calamity and then hijacked to support the interests
> of precisely those who sponsored the calamity...
> 
> I don't focus on ICANN but as you (should) know I have been as critical as
> anyone of the IGF, probably much more so, and I have also acknowledged the
> shortcomings of NETmundial, but you have to weigh up the value of just
> lambasting any imperfect process as irredeemably evil, against the potential
> benefits of acknowledging that a start has been made, and working to improve
> it.  The latter is my preferred approach.
> 
> --
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