[governance] Fwd: [JNC - Forum] for your considereation

Wed Aug 5 14:47:50 EDT 2015

Alguna ves, opine que en el foro no había democracia, que no se
llamaba a debatir los asuntos sobre la gobernabilidad y otros temas.
Me parece que algunos miembros sobresalientes han armado grupitos, y
solamente trabajan con ellos, y al resto no le dan
importancia...cuando se acabara la indiferencia y el racismo.

Cordialmente:                 José Félix Arias Ynche
                        Investigador Social Para El Desarrollo Sostenible

2015-08-04 10:40 GMT-05:00 willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>:
>
> Dear friends,
>
> i send this text also to this 3 lists, because Norbert Bollow is also active
> there. I will inform you about this discussion thread on the JNC Forum list
> and the admin group. And i hope, on this way i can inform the members of the
> JNC Forum list.
>
> many greetings, willi
> Salvador, Brasil
>
>
>
> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
> Betreff: [JNC - Forum] for your considereation
> Datum: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 11:58:51 -0300
> Von: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>
> An: account.dprt <account.dprt at consultant.com>, anita
> <anita at itforchange.net>, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>, Arun Mohan
> Sukumar <arunmohan.s at gmail.com>, Arzak Khan <director at ipop.org.pk>, Carlos
> A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca>, chlebrum <chlebrum at gmail.com>, Cynthia Stephen
> <cynstepin at gmail.com>, David Allen <David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu>,
> David Golumbia <dgolumbia at gmail.com>, Diego Rafael Canabarro
> <diegocanabarro at gmail.com>, Eduardo Villanueva <evillan at gmail.com>, JNC
> forum owner <forum-owner at justnetcoalition.org>, George Sadowsky
> <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>, Gildenis Silva <gildenis at gmail.com>, Guru
> Acharya <gurcharya at gmail.com>, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>, J M
> <jorgemerlo at hotmail.com>, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS
> <jc.nothias at globalgeneva.net>, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS
> <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net>, Leanne Sajor <leanne at apwld.org>, Louis
> Pouzin <pouzin at well.com>, Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>, Michel
> Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>, Mishi Choudhary
> <mishi at softwarefreedom.org>, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch>, Paranjoy Guha
> Thakurta <paranjoy at gmail.com>, parminder <parminder.js at gmail.com>, parminder
> <parminder at itforchange.net>, peter waterman <peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com>,
> prabir <prabirp at gmail.com>, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org>, Renata
> Avila <renata.avila at webfoundation.org>, Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch>,
> Roberto Bissio <rbissio at item.org.uy>, Roberto Bissio
> <roberto.bissio at gmail.com>, Roberto Verzola <rverzola at gn.apc.org>, Sarvjeet
> Singh <sarvjeetmoond at gmail.com>, Shobhan Saxena <shobhan.saxena at gmail.com>,
> Susan Chalmers <susan at chalmers.associates>, Tarakiyee <tarakiyee at apc.org>,
> tony.phillips <tony.phillips at laposte.net>, Roberto Savio <utopie at ips.org>,
> williams.deirdre <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
> Kopie (CC): JNC secretariat <secretariat at justnetcoalition.org>, JNC Just Net
> Coalition <info at justnetcoalition.org>, ISF secretariat
> <secretariat at InternetSocialForum.net>, ISF Pragati Mitta
> <pragati at itforchange.net>, ISF secretariat
> <isfsecretariat at internetsocialforum.net>, ISF Alex Gakaru
> <AlexG at InternetSocialForum.net>, Wolfgang Kleinwächter
> <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
>
>
> Dear friends,
>
> i combined the addresses of the writers to the JNC Forum list and some
> others to inform you about the practics of Norbert Bollow. He like to
> organize a personal private control environment and with such
> reactionary person i will never cooperate. But i want, that all people
> know it.
>
> The basic for that is his relation to the members of the list. This
> people, the foundation for any activities, are only supernumeraries and
> appendages for him. And this we find also in all his argumentations. As
> a member for a list, this is not problematic. But in his controller
> position he will organize the monotony and limiting of thinking. Then,
> JNC lost the space for development.
>
> As i see, Norbert Bollow is also activ in the ISF coordination groups.
> But his principles and perspectives are total controversial to the texts
> like "call for ISF" of the ISF. I do not understand, why such
> reactionary person can act in this environment.
>
> The JNC as a single instance is not really important. But as a part of
> our global cooperation we need all active people. I hope, you think about.
>
> This way for distribution is my last way. I can no longer write to the list.
>
> many greetings, willi
> Salvador, Brasil
>
>
>
> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
> Betreff: Re: Moderator action Re: [JNC - Forum] for your considereation
> Datum: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 10:21:40 +0200
> Von: Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch>
> Organisation: GoalTree Consulting N. Bollow
> An: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>
> Kopie (CC): JNC Steering Committee <Steeringcommittee at justnetcoalition.org>
>
> On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 22:10:28 -0300
> willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>> before i write directly to the JNC Steering Comittee, i have some
>> question.
>>
>> 1. Why you do not send this answer also to the JNV Forum list?
>
>
> It would be off-topic on that list.
>
>> You
>> are moderator on behalf of the members of the list
>
>
> No, I do it on behalf of JNC, and hence my accountability is to JNC.
>
>> and the list is
>> not your private control space.
>
>
> Of course not. That's why there is the possibility of an appeals
> process.
>
>> 2. In my answer to Andrea, where you find a "cheap attack"? Against
>> who?
>
>
> Both against Roberto Savio's work as well as against the current
> government of Greece.
>
>> In what part is my argumentation destructive?
>
>
> If it is not immediately clear to you after just a bit of reflection
> that your posting was in very bad taste and inappropriate for a list
> like the JNC Forum list, that IMO simply means that you lack some
> necessary skill for participation on this kind of list.
>
>> I have to understand, about what you speak. Then i can write my
>> question to the JNC SC. Clear, this i can never send to the list with
>> you as moderator control port. But i try it.
>
>
> If there was any need for further evidence in support of my decision to
> put you on moderation, such additional evidence has now been provided
> by your act of intentionally trying to post something about which you
> knew that it would be considered unacceptable.
>
> Greetings,
> Norbert
>
>
>
> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
> Betreff: Re: Moderator action Re: [JNC - Forum] for your considereation
> Datum: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 22:10:28 -0300
> Von: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>
> An: Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch>
> Kopie (CC): JNC Steering Committee
> <Steeringcommittee at justnetcoalition.org>, JNC forum
> <forum at justnetcoalition.org>, JNC secretariat
> <secretariat at justnetcoalition.org>
>
> Hi Norbert,
>
> before i write directly to the JNC Steering Comittee, i have some question.
>
> 1. Why you do not send this answer also to the JNV Forum list? You are
> moderator on behalf of the members of the list and the list is not your
> private control space.
>
> 2. In my answer to Andrea, where you find a "cheap attack"? Against who?
> In what part is my argumentation destructive?
>
> I have to understand, about what you speak. Then i can write my question
> to the JNC SC. Clear, this i can never send to the list with you as
> moderator control port. But i try it.
>
> many greetings, willi
> Salvador, Brasil
>
>
>
> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
> Betreff: Moderator action Re: [JNC - Forum] for your considereation
> Datum: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 22:27:00 +0200
> Von: Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch>
> Organisation: GoalTree Consulting N. Bollow
> An: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>
> Kopie (CC): JNC Steering Committee <Steeringcommittee at justnetcoalition.org>
>
> Hi Willi
>
> This kind of cheap attacks is not acceptable on the JNC Forum list,
> which is intended to be a forum for constructive discussion with a
> focus on Internet governance topics.
>
> In my role as the current list admin for this list, I have the
> unpleasant duty to react by taking some "moderator action", which in
> this case consists mainly in putting you "on moderation". Also, if
> there any replies on the list, I will probably kill that thread soon.
>
> In case you wish to appeal this decision, such an appeal may be
> addressed to the JNC Steering Committee at:
>
> <Steeringcommittee at justnetcoalition.org>
>
> Greetings,
> Norbert
>
>
>
> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
> Betreff: Re: [JNC - Forum] for your considereation
> Datum: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 09:06:46 -0300
> Von: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>
> An: JNC forum <forum at justnetcoalition.org>
>
> Am 01/08/2015 um 14:26 schrieb utopie at ips.org:
>>
>> ...
>
>
> to the text by Roberto Savio:
> Opinion: The Sad Historical Consequences of the Greek Bailout
>
> Dear Andrea,
>
> this is not a valuable text on Greece. A little valuable to the
> illusions on Europa. Never this was a project in solidarity, what
> Roberto Savio (wrote).
>
> For this imperial structures such as England, France and Germany
> solidarity is not possible. They organize the Egosim on the different level.
>
> And for Greece? We see, that the leadership of Syriza with her partners
> are a totally reactionaery group. Now, they cooperate with Israel on
> military projects. They have other perspectives then the people in Greece.
>
> The capitalistic thinking and construction acts just before its dissolution.
>
> many greetings, willi
> Salvador, Brasil
>
>
>
> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
> Betreff: [JNC - Forum] for your considereation
> Datum:  Sat, 1 Aug 2015 13:26:08 -0400 (EDT)
> Von:    utopie at ips.org
> An:     andrea <utopie at ips.org>
>
>
>
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