[governance] Fwd: [JNC - Forum] for your considereation

Tue Aug 4 11:40:55 EDT 2015

Dear friends,

i send this text also to this 3 lists, because Norbert Bollow is also 
active there. I will inform you about this discussion thread on the JNC 
Forum list and the admin group. And i hope, on this way i can inform the 
members of the JNC Forum list.

many greetings, willi
Salvador, Brasil

-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
Betreff: [JNC - Forum] for your considereation
Datum: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 11:58:51 -0300
Von: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>
An: account.dprt <account.dprt at consultant.com>, anita 
<anita at itforchange.net>, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>, Arun 
Mohan Sukumar <arunmohan.s at gmail.com>, Arzak Khan 
<director at ipop.org.pk>, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca>, chlebrum 
<chlebrum at gmail.com>, Cynthia Stephen <cynstepin at gmail.com>, David Allen 
<David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu>, David Golumbia 
<dgolumbia at gmail.com>, Diego Rafael Canabarro 
<diegocanabarro at gmail.com>, Eduardo Villanueva <evillan at gmail.com>, JNC 
forum owner <forum-owner at justnetcoalition.org>, George Sadowsky 
<george.sadowsky at gmail.com>, Gildenis Silva <gildenis at gmail.com>, Guru 
Acharya <gurcharya at gmail.com>, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>, J M 
<jorgemerlo at hotmail.com>, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS 
<jc.nothias at globalgeneva.net>, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS 
<jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net>, Leanne Sajor <leanne at apwld.org>, 
Louis Pouzin <pouzin at well.com>, Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>, 
Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>, Mishi Choudhary 
<mishi at softwarefreedom.org>, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch>, Paranjoy 
Guha Thakurta <paranjoy at gmail.com>, parminder <parminder.js at gmail.com>, 
parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>, peter waterman 
<peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com>, prabir <prabirp at gmail.com>, Pranesh 
Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org>, Renata Avila 
<renata.avila at webfoundation.org>, Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch>, 
Roberto Bissio <rbissio at item.org.uy>, Roberto Bissio 
<roberto.bissio at gmail.com>, Roberto Verzola <rverzola at gn.apc.org>, 
Sarvjeet Singh <sarvjeetmoond at gmail.com>, Shobhan Saxena 
<shobhan.saxena at gmail.com>, Susan Chalmers <susan at chalmers.associates>, 
Tarakiyee <tarakiyee at apc.org>, tony.phillips 
<tony.phillips at laposte.net>, Roberto Savio <utopie at ips.org>, 
williams.deirdre <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
Kopie (CC): JNC secretariat <secretariat at justnetcoalition.org>, JNC Just 
Net Coalition <info at justnetcoalition.org>, ISF secretariat 
<secretariat at InternetSocialForum.net>, ISF Pragati Mitta 
<pragati at itforchange.net>, ISF secretariat 
<isfsecretariat at internetsocialforum.net>, ISF Alex Gakaru 
<AlexG at InternetSocialForum.net>, Wolfgang Kleinwächter 
<wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>

Dear friends,

i combined the addresses of the writers to the JNC Forum list and some
others to inform you about the practics of Norbert Bollow. He like to
organize a personal private control environment and with such
reactionary person i will never cooperate. But i want, that all people
know it.

The basic for that is his relation to the members of the list. This
people, the foundation for any activities, are only supernumeraries and
appendages for him. And this we find also in all his argumentations. As
a member for a list, this is not problematic. But in his controller
position he will organize the monotony and limiting of thinking. Then,
JNC lost the space for development.

As i see, Norbert Bollow is also activ in the ISF coordination groups.
But his principles and perspectives are total controversial to the texts 
like "call for ISF" of the ISF. I do not understand, why such
reactionary person can act in this environment.

The JNC as a single instance is not really important. But as a part of
our global cooperation we need all active people. I hope, you think about.

This way for distribution is my last way. I can no longer write to the list.

many greetings, willi
Salvador, Brasil

-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
Betreff: Re: Moderator action Re: [JNC - Forum] for your considereation
Datum: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 10:21:40 +0200
Von: Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch>
Organisation: GoalTree Consulting N. Bollow
An: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>
Kopie (CC): JNC Steering Committee <Steeringcommittee at justnetcoalition.org>

On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 22:10:28 -0300
willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net> wrote:
> before i write directly to the JNC Steering Comittee, i have some
> question.
>
> 1. Why you do not send this answer also to the JNV Forum list?

It would be off-topic on that list.

> You
> are moderator on behalf of the members of the list

No, I do it on behalf of JNC, and hence my accountability is to JNC.

> and the list is
> not your private control space.

Of course not. That's why there is the possibility of an appeals
process.

> 2. In my answer to Andrea, where you find a "cheap attack"? Against
> who?

Both against Roberto Savio's work as well as against the current
government of Greece.

> In what part is my argumentation destructive?

If it is not immediately clear to you after just a bit of reflection
that your posting was in very bad taste and inappropriate for a list
like the JNC Forum list, that IMO simply means that you lack some
necessary skill for participation on this kind of list.

> I have to understand, about what you speak. Then i can write my
> question to the JNC SC. Clear, this i can never send to the list with
> you as moderator control port. But i try it.

If there was any need for further evidence in support of my decision to
put you on moderation, such additional evidence has now been provided
by your act of intentionally trying to post something about which you
knew that it would be considered unacceptable.

Greetings,
Norbert

-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
Betreff: Re: Moderator action Re: [JNC - Forum] for your considereation
Datum: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 22:10:28 -0300
Von: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>
An: Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch>
Kopie (CC): JNC Steering Committee
<Steeringcommittee at justnetcoalition.org>, JNC forum
<forum at justnetcoalition.org>, JNC secretariat
<secretariat at justnetcoalition.org>

Hi Norbert,

before i write directly to the JNC Steering Comittee, i have some question.

1. Why you do not send this answer also to the JNV Forum list? You are
moderator on behalf of the members of the list and the list is not your
private control space.

2. In my answer to Andrea, where you find a "cheap attack"? Against who?
In what part is my argumentation destructive?

I have to understand, about what you speak. Then i can write my question
to the JNC SC. Clear, this i can never send to the list with you as
moderator control port. But i try it.

many greetings, willi
Salvador, Brasil

-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
Betreff: Moderator action Re: [JNC - Forum] for your considereation
Datum: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 22:27:00 +0200
Von: Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch>
Organisation: GoalTree Consulting N. Bollow
An: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>
Kopie (CC): JNC Steering Committee <Steeringcommittee at justnetcoalition.org>

Hi Willi

This kind of cheap attacks is not acceptable on the JNC Forum list,
which is intended to be a forum for constructive discussion with a
focus on Internet governance topics.

In my role as the current list admin for this list, I have the
unpleasant duty to react by taking some "moderator action", which in
this case consists mainly in putting you "on moderation". Also, if
there any replies on the list, I will probably kill that thread soon.

In case you wish to appeal this decision, such an appeal may be
addressed to the JNC Steering Committee at:

<Steeringcommittee at justnetcoalition.org>

Greetings,
Norbert

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Betreff: Re: [JNC - Forum] for your considereation
Datum: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 09:06:46 -0300
Von: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>
An: JNC forum <forum at justnetcoalition.org>

Am 01/08/2015 um 14:26 schrieb utopie at ips.org:
> ...

to the text by Roberto Savio:
Opinion: The Sad Historical Consequences of the Greek Bailout

Dear Andrea,

this is not a valuable text on Greece. A little valuable to the
illusions on Europa. Never this was a project in solidarity, what
Roberto Savio (wrote).

For this imperial structures such as England, France and Germany
solidarity is not possible. They organize the Egosim on the different level.

And for Greece? We see, that the leadership of Syriza with her partners
are a totally reactionaery group. Now, they cooperate with Israel on
military projects. They have other perspectives then the people in Greece.

The capitalistic thinking and construction acts just before its dissolution.

many greetings, willi
Salvador, Brasil

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Betreff: [JNC - Forum] for your considereation
Datum: 	Sat, 1 Aug 2015 13:26:08 -0400 (EDT)
Von: 	utopie at ips.org
An: 	andrea <utopie at ips.org>

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