[governance] [govenance] The domain name racket goes on
Suresh Ramasubramanian
suresh at hserus.net
Sat Sep 27 11:19:23 EDT 2014
The India response has been quite different based on whether it was the
former foreign ministry making a submission in favor of multilateral
groupings or the former IT and telecom ministry under kapil sibal which was
articulately in favor of multistakeholder systems
There is a new government since those days so we still have to see how this
works out. Right wing and not particularly tolerant of free speech unless
it is their own supporters so..
On 27 September 2014 7:49:59 pm parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> On Saturday 27 September 2014 03:18 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:04 PM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net
> > <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Whether ICANN should continue with domain name functions or
> > whether ITU should take them over is a bit of a self-serving
> > strawman argument.
> >
> >
> > I never made this assertion.
> >
> > What I said was..."we have to come to the realisation that we can
> > treat and respect individual organisations as unique with distinct
> > roles and mandates and perhaps that will make us less likely to try to
> > want to fit square pegs in round holes". ITU is not competent to deal
> > with domain names.
>
> Nobody is seriously asking for that is what I am saying.
> >
> > I have not seen any serious proposal with any serious backing in
> > this regard.
> >
> >
> > Neither have I.
>
> Then, the "ITU is not competent to deal with domain names" assertion is
> a response to a strawman argument.
> >
> > What is often sought however by developing countries, with serious
> > proposals on the table as well, is to subject ICANN to a genuinely
> > international oversight mechanism which is embedded in
> > international law and its authority.
> >
> > I would be curious to see which developing countries make this assertion.
>
> See enclosed response from India to ICANN's process of collection of
> views on the IANA transition process. It say clearly that any transition
> arrangement should "have a proper international legislative authority".
> And of course India earlier made the CIRP proposal which sought
> inter-gov oversight of ICANN. Dont know why continued ignorance should
> be professed about this and many other stated positions from other
> developing countries.
>
>
> > From my reading of things it is not countries but views of certain
> > groups and can hardly be said to be country positions.
>
> If the position of the Just Net Coalition
> <http://content.netmundial.br/contribution/democratising-global-governance-of-the-internet/164>
> is being meant here, it is that yes, ICANN oversight mechanism should
> have internal legal backing/ authority, but it is not necessary that the
> precise oversight mechanism be inter-gov in the UN sense. To that extent
> it is different from India's position.
>
> parminder
> >
> > parminder
> >
> >
> > On Saturday 27 September 2014 02:25 AM, Salanieta T.
> > Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
> >> As I read through all the email discussions, I could not help
> >> wondering whether there should be greater awareness done on the
> >> roles of stakeholders within the ecosystem. The content of the
> >> discussions in relation to domain name racket I could not follow
> >> through properly but whilst people are still putting all their
> >> eggs in the domain name basket with the gTLD process, hardly
> >> anyone talks about the dotless domains and the implication for
> >> the current value of the domain name. Can the domain name and
> >> dotless domain name be likened to PSTN and NGN in terms of
> >> transition? Is it inevitable that the world will shift from
> >> domains to more dotless domains or are dotless domains are just a
> >> fly by night.
> >>
> >> Personally I prefer ICANN over ITU any day in terms of being open
> >> to hearing the voices of diverse community. ICANN has built in
> >> mechanisms for input into various processes. ITU on the other
> >> hand remains a closed trunk available only to Governments,
> >> Regulators and ICT Private Sector who can afford it, and they
> >> have no capacity to be flexible to absorb civil society. In terms
> >> of accountability, ICANN leads as all its reports are published
> >> open and online and available for easy access by anyone except
> >> /some/ of the SSAC reports.
> >>
> >> However, I can also understand why, sometimes being the oldest UN
> >> organisation can make this resistant to change to be more
> >> relevant with the dynamics of time. ITU has done fantastic work
> >> building and developing toolkits for diverse initiatives within
> >> the ICT space and should be commended.
> >>
> >> The ITU has also begun using multistakeholder in their various
> >> speeches just as ICANN does for some time now.
> >>
> >> However, despite my preferences, I can say that both
> >> organisations have greater room for even more improvement.
> >> However, to do that we as civil society must first get our act
> >> together and figure out architecturally, the kind of changes we
> >> would like to see happening in the ecosystem to amplify the voice
> >> of the common man and the inclusion of *ALL* our voices.
> >>
> >> At the same time, we have to come to the realisation that we can
> >> treat and respect individual organisations as unique with
> >> distinct roles and mandates and perhaps that will make us less
> >> likely to try to want to fit square pegs in round holes.
> >>
> >> :)
> >
> >
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