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<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">The India
response has been quite different based on whether it was the former
foreign ministry making a submission in favor of multilateral groupings or
the former IT and telecom ministry under kapil sibal which was articulately
in favor of multistakeholder systems</p>
<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">There is a new
government since those days so we still have to see how this works out.
Right wing and not particularly tolerant of free speech unless it is their
own supporters so.. <br>
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27 September 2014 7:49:59 pm parminder <parminder@itforchange.net>
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face="Verdana">Whether ICANN should continue with
domain name functions or whether ITU should take them
over is a bit of a self-serving strawman argument.
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<div>I never made this assertion.<br>
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What I said was..."we have to come to the realisation that
we can treat and respect individual organisations as
unique with distinct roles and mandates and perhaps that
will make us less likely to try to want to fit square pegs
in round holes". ITU is not competent to deal with domain
names.<br>
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Nobody is seriously asking for that is what I am saying.<br>
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<div>Neither have I.<br>
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Then, the "ITU is not competent to deal with domain names" assertion
is a response to a strawman argument. <br>
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What is often sought however by developing countries,
with serious proposals on the table as well, is to
subject ICANN to a genuinely international oversight
mechanism which is embedded in international law and
its authority. <br>
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<div>I would be curious to see which developing countries
make this assertion. </div>
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See enclosed response from India to ICANN's process of collection of
views on the IANA transition process. It say clearly that any
transition arrangement should "have a proper international
legislative authority". And of course India earlier made the CIRP
proposal which sought inter-gov oversight of ICANN. Dont know why
continued ignorance should be professed about this and many other
stated positions from other developing countries.<br>
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<div>From my reading of things it is not countries but views
of certain groups and can hardly be said to be country
positions.<br>
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If the <a
href="http://content.netmundial.br/contribution/democratising-global-governance-of-the-internet/164">position
of the Just Net Coalition</a> is being meant here, it is that yes,
ICANN oversight mechanism should have internal legal backing/
authority, but it is not necessary that the precise oversight
mechanism be inter-gov in the UN sense. To that extent it is
different from India's position.<br>
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<div>On Saturday 27 September 2014 02:25 AM,
Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:<br>
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<div>As I read through all the email
discussions, I could not help wondering
whether there should be greater awareness
done on the roles of stakeholders within
the ecosystem. The content of the
discussions in relation to domain name
racket I could not follow through properly
but whilst people are still putting all
their eggs in the domain name basket with
the gTLD process, hardly anyone talks
about the dotless domains and the
implication for the current value of the
domain name. Can the domain name and
dotless domain name be likened to PSTN and
NGN in terms of transition? Is it
inevitable that the world will shift from
domains to more dotless domains or are
dotless domains are just a fly by night.<br>
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Personally I prefer ICANN over ITU any day
in terms of being open to hearing the voices
of diverse community. ICANN has built in
mechanisms for input into various processes.
ITU on the other hand remains a closed trunk
available only to Governments, Regulators
and ICT Private Sector who can afford it,
and they have no capacity to be flexible to
absorb civil society. In terms of
accountability, ICANN leads as all its
reports are published open and online and
available for easy access by anyone except
<i>some</i>
of the SSAC reports.<br>
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<div>However, I can also understand why,
sometimes being the oldest UN organisation
can make this resistant to change to be more
relevant with the dynamics of time. ITU has
done fantastic work building and developing
toolkits for diverse initiatives within the
ICT space and should be commended.<br>
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The ITU has also begun using
multistakeholder in their various speeches
just as ICANN does for some time now.<br>
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However, despite my preferences, I can say
that both organisations have greater room for
even more improvement. However, to do that we
as civil society must first get our act
together and figure out architecturally, the
kind of changes we would like to see happening
in the ecosystem to amplify the voice of the
common man and the inclusion of <b>ALL</b>
our voices.<br>
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<div>At the same time, we have to come to the
realisation that we can treat and respect
individual organisations as unique with
distinct roles and mandates and perhaps that
will make us less likely to try to want to fit
square pegs in round holes.<br>
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:) <br>
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