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<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">The India
response has been  quite different based on whether it was the former
foreign ministry making a submission in favor of multilateral groupings or
the former IT and telecom ministry under kapil sibal which was articulately
in favor of multistakeholder systems</p>
<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">There is a new
government since those days so we still have to see how this works out.
Right wing and not particularly tolerant of free speech unless it is their
own supporters so.. <br>
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27 September 2014 7:49:59 pm parminder <parminder@itforchange.net>
wrote:</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 27 September 2014 03:18 PM,
      Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:04 PM,
            parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"
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            wrote:<br>
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                  face="Verdana">Whether ICANN should continue with
                  domain name functions or whether ITU should take them
                  over is a bit of a self-serving strawman argument.
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            <div>I never made this assertion.<br>
              <br>
              What I said was..."we have to come to the realisation that
              we can treat and respect individual organisations as
              unique with distinct roles and mandates and perhaps that
              will make us less likely to try to want to fit square pegs
              in round holes". ITU is not competent to deal with domain
              names.<br>
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    Nobody is seriously asking for that is what I am saying.<br>
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              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><font face="Verdana">I
                  have not seen any serious proposal with any serious
                  backing in this regard.</font></div>
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            <div>Neither have I.<br>
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    Then, the "ITU is not competent to deal with domain names" assertion
    is a response to a strawman argument. <br>
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                  What is often sought however by developing countries,
                  with serious proposals on the table as well, is to
                  subject ICANN to a genuinely international oversight
                  mechanism which is embedded in international law and
                  its authority. <br>
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            <div>I would be curious to see which developing countries
              make this assertion. </div>
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    See enclosed response from India to ICANN's process of collection of
    views on the IANA transition process. It say clearly that any
    transition arrangement should "have a proper international
    legislative authority". And of course India earlier made the CIRP
    proposal which sought inter-gov oversight of ICANN. Dont know why
    continued ignorance should be professed about this and many other
    stated positions from other developing countries.<br>
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            <div>From my reading of things it is not countries but views
              of certain groups and can hardly be said to be country
              positions.<br>
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    If the <a
href="http://content.netmundial.br/contribution/democratising-global-governance-of-the-internet/164">position
      of the Just Net Coalition</a> is being meant here, it is that yes,
    ICANN oversight mechanism should have internal legal backing/
    authority, but it is not necessary that the precise oversight
    mechanism be inter-gov in the UN sense. To that extent it is
    different from India's position.<br>
    <br>
    parminder <br>
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                    class=""><font color="#888888"> parminder <br>
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                    <div>On Saturday 27 September 2014 02:25 AM,
                      Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:<br>
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                            <div>As I read through all the email
                              discussions, I could not help wondering
                              whether there should be greater awareness
                              done on the roles of stakeholders within
                              the ecosystem. The content of the
                              discussions in relation to domain name
                              racket I could not follow through properly
                              but whilst people are still putting all
                              their eggs in the domain name basket with
                              the gTLD process, hardly anyone talks
                              about the dotless domains and the
                              implication for the current value of the
                              domain name. Can the domain name and
                              dotless domain name be likened to PSTN and
                              NGN in terms of transition? Is it
                              inevitable that the world will shift from
                              domains to more dotless domains or are
                              dotless domains are just a fly by night.<br>
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                            Personally I prefer ICANN over ITU any day
                            in terms of being open to hearing the voices
                            of diverse community. ICANN has built in
                            mechanisms for input into various processes.
                            ITU on the other hand remains a closed trunk
                            available only to Governments, Regulators
                            and ICT Private Sector who can afford it,
                            and they have no capacity to be flexible to
                            absorb civil society. In terms of
                            accountability, ICANN leads as all its
                            reports are published open and online and
                            available for easy access by anyone except
<i>some</i>
                            of the SSAC reports.<br>
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                          <div>However, I can also understand why,
                            sometimes being the oldest UN organisation
                            can make this resistant to change to be more
                            relevant with the dynamics of time. ITU has
                            done fantastic work building and developing
                            toolkits for diverse initiatives within the
                            ICT space and should be commended.<br>
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                          <div><br>
                            The ITU has also begun using
                            multistakeholder in their various speeches
                            just as ICANN does for some time now.<br>
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                          However, despite my preferences, I can say
                          that both organisations have greater room for
                          even more improvement. However, to do that we
                          as civil society must first get our act
                          together and figure out architecturally, the
                          kind of changes we would like to see happening
                          in the ecosystem to amplify the voice of the
                          common man and the inclusion of <b>ALL</b>
                          our voices.<br>
                          <br>
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                        <div>At the same time, we have to come to the
                          realisation that we can treat and respect
                          individual organisations as unique with
                          distinct roles and mandates and perhaps that
                          will make us less likely to try to want to fit
                          square pegs in round holes.<br>
                          <br>
                          :) <br>
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