[governance] PP: India wants to abolish BGP and introduce national routing and IP management

[David Cake]

I find myself in general agreement with McTim and Daniel.
Arguing for equity on a Westphalian basis, or even on a population basis, does not seem helpful, especially in retrospect. 
And we have a good solution that will be helpful for practical solutions to this problem - IPv6. 

India's proposal seems a bad political attempt to solve a problem for which there are good technical solutions available. 

David

On 28 Oct 2014, at 8:33 pm, Daniel Kalchev <daniel at digsys.bg> wrote:

> 
> 
> On 28.10.14 13:49, JFC Morfin wrote:
>> At 10:12 28/10/2014, McTim wrote:
>> 
>>> I will be happy to declare a victory if I can convince you that
>>> thinking of
>>> IP resource distribution in Westphalian terms isn't useful.
>> 
>> dear Guru and McTim,
>> 
>> I would be happy to declare peace the day [inapropriate] dogmatisms are
>> removed from where they do not belong. Please stop thinking in "XIXth
>> reviewing XVIIth" paradigms. The (uncompleted) XXIth paradigm has been
>> explicited by IEEE, IAB, IETF, ISOC, W3C in RFC 6852 and the way to
>> administratively address it by IETF, ITU, ICANN and W3C in RFC 2691.
>> 
>> What is archaic is the IPv6 and IDNS management entrusted to governance
>> structures designed by the NTIA to manage IPv4 and the US-DNS and the
>> adoration of the gods of administrative and technical status-quoes.
>> 
>> Did any of you heard about LISP, NDN, SDN, ISO layer six, IEN 48
>> objective, etc?
> 
> Excuse my intrusion in this higher-than-my-desire-to-argue level of
> discussion, but...
> 
> Remember X.400? An arguably better designed, better specified and
> documented protocol than SMTP, yet it failed miserably.
> 
> Why? Because the intents were malicious.
> 
> Humans seek freedom. And even when they appear to bend under governance
> "for the greater good", they still continue to seek freedom.
> 
> It is indeed appropriate to remove the dogmatism in this discussion and
> replace it with common sense.
> 
> The common sense says this initiative will fail. It also says this will
> be yet another good example, which will be ignored, as usual.
> For it is in human nature to try to demonstrate you are better (choice)
> than the other guy/gal (nothing to do with technology).
> 
> Yep, I know.. ;)
> 
> Daniel
> 
> PS: In any case, do not mind being enlightened about the subtle
> political differences between IPv6 and IPv4 address space management. To
> my engineer mind, both are numbers. Might be the size difference creates
> a new dimension?
> 
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