[governance] Tweedledum and Tweedledee WAS Re: [bestbits] Time-sensitive: 24 hour sign on period for ITU Plenipot joint recommendations

[Jeremy Malcolm]

Yes.

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> On Oct 25, 2014, at 5:36 AM, David Golumbia <dgolumbia at gmail.com> wrote:
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> i appreciate this response very much, and although I'm familiar with a couple of the items you list, there are some things I need to catch up on in there, which I will.
> 
> am I reading you correctly as saying that when you use phrases like "statist" or "state-based ordering" in a critical way, what you are critiquing is the view that states are the exclusive bearers of political power (which is very clearly true; among my own concerns is that Google and Facebook and Twitter and many others have political power that rivals or supersedes that of states, and often directly challenges state and popular sovereignty), but not that states should or will go away, at least not without the consent of the people who constitute them?  that is absolutely an established use of "statist" as a critical term (but based on my reading, not the most common one, especially in the US), hence my focus on this aspect of what you've written.
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>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org> wrote:
>>> On 24/10/2014 5:38 pm, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>>>> I am asking informational questions in an earnest attempt to get a handle on who it is that has authorized or is pushing for what appears to be a clear rejection of values and principles that the great majority of people in the world would be very unlikely to give up (at least not easily), and what political system is being recommended to replace it.
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>> Further, it's not as if these "great majority of people" have a choice.  The Internet (and the world) is already being governed by diverse institutions many of which have no connection with their elected representatives.  So the choice is not between sticking with a well-established system or representative democracy or switching to an alternative called multi-stakeholderism, as you seem to be characterising it.  On the contrary, it's a choice between continuing to submit to diverse mechanisms of ordering many of which are not state-based or democratic, or constructing new forms of representation that allow people, independently of their citizenship, to participate in global governance in ways that would otherwise be reserved to more powerful actors.  Meanwhile the nation state will continue to play its role, but in global Internet governance it is not not an exclusive role.
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>> Jeremy Malcolm
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>> Electronic Frontier Foundation
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>> jmalcolm at eff.org
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>> Tel: 415.436.9333 ext 161
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