[governance] Tweedledum and Tweedledee WAS Re: [bestbits] Time-sensitive: 24 hour sign on period for ITU Plenipot joint recommendations

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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> </div><div>Date:10/25/2014  10:56 AM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>, 'Jeremy Malcolm' <jmalcolm at eff.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [governance] Tweedledum and Tweedledee WAS Re: [bestbits] Time-sensitive: 24 hour sign on period for ITU Plenipot joint recommendations </div><div>
</div>I also like Jeremy's framing very much.

Anriette


Copying here for sake of clarity:


Further, it's not as if these "great majority of people" have a choice.  The Internet (and the world) is already being governed by diverse institutions many of which have no connection with their elected representatives.  So the choice is not between sticking with a well-established system or representative democracy or switching to an alternative called multi-stakeholderism, as you seem to be characterising it.  On the contrary, it's a choice between continuing to submit to diverse mechanisms of ordering many of which are not state-based or democratic, or constructing new forms of representation that allow people, independently of their citizenship, to participate in global governance in ways that would otherwise be reserved to more powerful actors.  Meanwhile the nation state will continue to play its role, but in global Internet governance it is not not an exclusive role.


On 25/10/2014 14:51, michael gurstein wrote:
Well said.
 
M
 
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On 24/10/2014 5:38 pm, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:

I am asking informational questions in an earnest attempt to get a handle on who it is that has authorized or is pushing for what appears to be a clear rejection of values and principles that the great majority of people in the world would be very unlikely to give up (at least not easily), and what political system is being recommended to replace it.

Further, it's not as if these "great majority of people" have a choice.  The Internet (and the world) is already being governed by diverse institutions many of which have no connection with their elected representatives.  So the choice is not between sticking with a well-established system or representative democracy or switching to an alternative called multi-stakeholderism, as you seem to be characterising it.  On the contrary, it's a choice between continuing to submit to diverse mechanisms of ordering many of which are not state-based or democratic, or constructing new forms of representation that allow people, independently of their citizenship, to participate in global governance in ways that would otherwise be reserved to more powerful actors.  Meanwhile the nation state will continue to play its role, but in global Internet governance it is not not an exclusive role.


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