[governance] PP: India wants to abolish BGP and introduce national routing and IP management

[Barry Shein]

Yes but the point is that the Russian Federation didn't split between
RIPE and APNIC because, for example, a large part of their sovereign
territory is in the continent of Europe and another in Asia.

In theory they perhaps could have argued for that and "double-dipped".
It may have been to their advantage, a bigger pool.

But the make-up of the RIRs was (with some pragmatic exceptions) sets
of nation-states.

The RIRs list these countries quite clearly, there's no reading
between the lines involved:

  https://www.arin.net/knowledge/rirs/countries.html

And head that with:

    This comprehensive list of countries is provided as a reference
    tool to identify the region in which any particular country or
    economy is located.

I believe "or economy" is just saying what I say when I point out that
there are some pragmatic exceptions (e.g., island territories.)

THE original point I was addressing was that someone said allocating
IP addresses along "Westphalian" lines was (choose a word,
inappropriate? unprecedented?) I don't think that's a good
characterization.

On November 3, 2014 at 10:21 daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev) wrote:
 > 
 > 
 > On 01.11.14 06:02, Barry Shein wrote:
 > > Perhaps stating a contrapositive is even more clear: Other than
 > > perhaps some small outlying islands or similar special cases no
 > > nation-state is split between two RIRs. Even the vast Russian
 > > Federation which spans two continents is entirely within only the RIPE
 > > NCC region.
 > 
 > My understanding of the way people in Russia think is that they prefer
 > to be considered an entity on their own. If not, they would prefer to be
 > part of Europe.
 > 
 > Them being part of the RIPE is for one, and one reason alone: RIPE was
 > the only functioning entity they could interact with. RIPE, being
 > informal group of Europeans were much more tolerant to the Russians and
 > always interfaced with them on practical matters. They always had
 > various issues trying to bypass RIPE, which is what they would naturally
 > do, as their other choice was to deal with the US based Internic and
 > that was difficult at the time. We also need to remember that within a
 > nation-state, there are many different, often antagonizing interests.
 > 
 > The development and outcome of the interaction between Russia and RIPE
 > is an interesting topic to study.
 > 
 > Daniel
 > 
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